REAL TEAM RATINGS
NBA 2009-10 REGULAR SEASON
AS OF DECEMBER 26, 2009
1. Boston Celtics 41.40
2. Atlanta Hawks 37.40
3. Los Angeles Lakers 33.40
4. Cleveland Cavaliers 33.40
5. Dallas Mavericks 25.10
6. Denver Nuggets 25.00
7. Orlando Magic 25.00
8. Portland Trail Blazers 19.60
9. San Antonio Spurs 8.00
10. Utah Jazz -1.50
11. Phoenix Suns -2.00
12. Miami Heat -3.20
13. Houston Rockets -3.30
14. Charlotte Bobcats -4.60
15. Milwaukee Bucks -5.70
16. Oklahoma City Thunder -10.40
17. Memphis Grizzlies -18.00
18. New York Knicks -20.30
19. New Orleans Hornets -21.00
20. Washington Wizards -21.30
21. Sacramento Kings -23.10
22. Detroit Pistons -26.50
23. Indiana Pacers -28.90
24. Los Angeles Clippers -29.80
25. Toronto Raptors -30.60
26. Philadelphia 76ers -37.80
27. Chicago Bulls -38.80
28. Golden State Warriors -39.00
29. Minnesota Timberwolves -63.70
30. New Jersey Nets -64.50
The Boston Celtics have a small lead over the Hawks, the Lakers, and the Cavaliers so far in this years Quest for the Ring. The Atlanta Hawks are for real so far this season and are the biggest upside surprise. The Cavaliers and Lakers are even up a little ways behind surprising Atlanta. Do not be fooled by the big Cavaliers victory over LA on Christmas; any team can have a bad game now and then.
The Mavericks, the Nuggets, and the Magic, who are in a 3-way tie for 5th, 6th, and 7th, trail Boston and those other three teams already mentioned, but not yet by a large amount: the season is still too young to be "cemented in stone".
The Blazers are in 9th and are not completely out of it according to RTR, but after injury adjustments are applied they would most definitely be out of this years's Quest. The Spurs are surprisingly uncompetitive with the very best teams this year.
BRIEF EXCERPTS FROM THE EXTENSIVE USER GUIDE FOR REAL TEAM RATINGS
Remember that the Real Team Ratings (RTR) is NOT simply a rating of how well the teams are doing in the regular season. Instead, it is a rating system designed to reveal the capability of winning playoff games and series of each team.
The foundation of RTR is defensive efficiency, offensive efficiency, and net per game points differential. On top of these, several careful and statistically valid adjustments are made to allow the RTR to accurately reflect some of the known factors that always impact winning in the playoffs. Factors that usually impact winning are NOT included; only factors that always impact winning are included.
RTR CAN be roughly used to predict who will win playoff series. However, there are of course factors not included in the RTR. One factor not included can be huge and can easily switch a series: injuries. Among factors not included in RTR that always impact winning playoff games, injuries is by far the biggest one.
INTERPRETING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TEAMS
SCALE ASSUMING THE HIGHER TEAM HAS HOME COURT ADVANTAGE
Important Note: Injury adjustments are not included. For larger differences, the higher rated team would almost always have to have injury problems in order to lose. The probabilities shown reflect the risk of injuries as much as all other uncertain factors combined.
0 to 5.9 Complete toss-up: flip a coin
6 to 11.9 Roughly 60% chance the higher team will win
12 to 17.9 Roughly 70% chance the higher team will win
18 to 23.9 Roughly 80% chance the higher team will win
24 to 29.9 Roughly 89% chance the higher team will win
30 to 35.9 Roughly 95% chance the higher team will win
36 to 41.9 Roughly 98% chance the higher team will win
42 to 47.9 Roughly 99% chance the higher team will win
48 or more Roughly 100% chance the higher team will win
SCALE ASSUMING THE LOWER TEAM HAS HOME COURT ADVANTAGE
Important Note: Injury adjustments are not included. For larger differences, the higher rated team would almost always have to have injury problems in order to lose. The probabilities shown reflect the risk of injuries as much as all other uncertain factors combined.
0 to 5.9 Complete toss-up: flip a coin
6 to 11.9 Complete toss-up: flip a coin
12 to 17.9 Roughly 60% chance the higher team will win despite not having home court advantage.
18 to 23.9 Roughly 70% chance the higher team will win despite not having home court advantage.
24 to 29.9 Roughly 80% chance the higher team will win despite not having home court advnatage.
30 to 35.9 Roughly 89% chance the higher team will win despite not having home court advnatage.
36 and more: Will neve rhappen because whenever the difference is this much the higher team will have the home court advantage 100% of the time.
MANUAL INJURY ADJUSTMENTS
We have developed an injury adjustment for RTR, which is extensively described in the User Guide. Currently, injury adjustments have to be done manually using instructions in the User Guide. This will be required indefinitely, because it appears to be more trouble than it's worth to include the "injury adjustment" in the RTR itself.
There are many complications involving the impact of injuries on who is going to win playoff games. I'll mention a few of them. One huge problem is that the injury situation changes more rapidly than any of the other factors. Another problem is that early season injuries are no where near as bad for the playoffs as are late season injuries. Yet another problem is that there always seems to be conflicting information out there about just how bad different injuries are.
COACHING
Another significant factor that is not completely included in RTR is coaching that is more successful in the regular season than in the playoffs. Certain coaches deploy offensive and/or defensive strategies in the regular that do not work as well in the playoffs as they do in the regular season. A team using this kind of strategy makes the playoffs but sooner or later gets bounced in the playoffs by a team using one or more strategies rewarded by basketball.
In other words, and more broadly, it is believed by us here at Quest that how a team is coached, and what schemes it is using on offense and defense, can have a different impact in the playoffs than it did in the regular season. This would not be picked up by the RTR.
The negative impact on RTR of such coaching is believed to be between small and not so small, up to about 20 RTR points. A 15-20 point hit would be plenty big enough to swing any close series. Coaches who coach well in the regular season but not in the playoffs will cost their teams playoff series they probably could have won, although this will not happen in every series. It will happen mostly in series where the RTR differential is between 5 and 20 points. This type of coaching will certainly be in the long run ruinous to the objective of going as far as possible in the playoffs.
One of the primary objectives of the Quest for the Ring is to identify and explain offensive and defensive strategies that work better in the regular season than they do in the playoffs, and vice versa.
Other than missing the regular versus playoffs coaching differential, coaching is mostly reflected in the RTR.
Factors other than injuries and coaching that are not in the RTR are believed at this time to be small and probably insignificant.
This has been a very small sample of what is in the User Guide. For complete details regarding how the Real Team Ratings are designed and why they work, see the User Guide.
Saturday, December 26, 2009
Wednesday, December 2, 2009
2009-10 Real Coach Ratings: Phil Jackson Ahead of George Karl by a Factor of About 10 to 1
The ideal time for the annual Real Coach Ratings to come out is just before the season starts, in October. We missed that schedule, but the first of December is really not that late, and it is certainly better than never.
One of the coaches in the Report, Byron Scott, was fired by the New Orleans Hornets during November, but his Rating is included. The new Hornets Coach is Jeff Bower, who has no experience as a head coach in the NBA. Bower's rating would be 200 by rule.
As always, there has been some tweaking since the last version of this Report. We slightly reduced the "penalty" for losses, which reduced the power in our built in solution to the huge differences in experience problem. There is much more about this in the User Guide.
Another change is a new factor: points awarded for the number of Championship series appearances: 12 points for each. This has the effect of increasing the playoff game experience award for a Coach for Championship games from three to approximately five.
We are showing you the entire spreadsheet so that you can see for yourself not only the ratings but also all of the raw data.
The User Guide for Real Coach Ratings is being updated to reflect the latest coach rating technology. You must consult the User Guide in order to truly undertand and to be able to make valid use of these ratings.
One of the coaches in the Report, Byron Scott, was fired by the New Orleans Hornets during November, but his Rating is included. The new Hornets Coach is Jeff Bower, who has no experience as a head coach in the NBA. Bower's rating would be 200 by rule.
As always, there has been some tweaking since the last version of this Report. We slightly reduced the "penalty" for losses, which reduced the power in our built in solution to the huge differences in experience problem. There is much more about this in the User Guide.
Another change is a new factor: points awarded for the number of Championship series appearances: 12 points for each. This has the effect of increasing the playoff game experience award for a Coach for Championship games from three to approximately five.
We are showing you the entire spreadsheet so that you can see for yourself not only the ratings but also all of the raw data.
The User Guide for Real Coach Ratings is being updated to reflect the latest coach rating technology. You must consult the User Guide in order to truly undertand and to be able to make valid use of these ratings.
Thursday, July 9, 2009
NBA Final Real Player Ratings, Shown by Team, 2008-09 Season
NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
BY TEAM
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399
NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more
ATLANTA HAWKS
Al Horford ATL 0.872
Joe Johnson ATL 0.851
Josh Smith ATL 0.821
Mike Bibby ATL 0.759
Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.758
Ronald Murray ATL 0.730
Marvin Williams ATL 0.707
Acie Law ATL 0.666
Maurice Evans ATL 0.517
Solomon Jones ATL 0.478
BOSTON CELTICS
Kevin Garnett BOS 1.106
Rajon Rondo BOS 0.938
Paul Pierce BOS 0.795
Leon Powe BOS 0.786
Ray Allen BOS 0.762
Eddie House BOS 0.707
Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.666
Tony Allen BOS 0.652
Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.589
Glen Davis BOS 0.522
Mikki Moore BOS 0.450
Stephon Marbury BOS 0.383
Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.358
CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Gerald Wallace CHA 0.847
Emeka Okafor CHA 0.832
Boris Diaw CHA 0.751
Raymond Felton CHA 0.745
Jason Richardson CHA 0.692
D.J. Augustin CHA 0.665
Raja Bell CHA 0.587
Jared Dudley CHA 0.563
Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.521
DeSagana Diop CHA 0.496
Shannon Brown CHA 0.491
Juwan Howard CHA 0.480
Matt Carroll CHA 0.458
Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.435
Sean May CHA 0.425
Adam Morrison CHA 0.334
CHICAGO BULLS
Brad Miller CHI 0.916
Joakim Noah CHI 0.824
Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.792
Drew Gooden CHI 0.778
Derrick Rose CHI 0.774
Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.760
Luol Deng CHI 0.746
Ben Gordon CHI 0.737
Larry Hughes CHI 0.686
John Salmons CHI 0.669
Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.632
Andres Nocioni CHI 0.610
Aaron Gray CHI 0.597
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
LeBron James CLE 1.331
Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.913
Mo Williams CLE 0.789
Ben Wallace CLE 0.759
Delonte West CLE 0.748
Joe Smith CLE 0.705
Anderson Varejao CLE 0.694
Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.542
J.J. Hickson CLE 0.485
Daniel Gibson CLE 0.478
Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.393
Darnell Jackson CLE 0.283
DALLAS MAVERICKS
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 1.019
Jason Kidd DAL 0.932
James Singleton DAL 0.828
Jason Terry DAL 0.827
Josh Howard DAL 0.804
Erick Dampier DAL 0.761
Jose Barea DAL 0.734
Brandon Bass DAL 0.733
Gerald Green DAL 0.525
DeSagana Diop DAL 0.500
Antoine Wright DAL 0.421
Devean George DAL 0.377
DENVER NUGGETS
Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.901
Nene Hilario DEN 0.880
Chauncey Billups DEN 0.870
Chris Andersen DEN 0.835
J.R. Smith DEN 0.824
Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.815
Kenyon Martin DEN 0.754
Anthony Carter DEN 0.669
Linas Kleiza DEN 0.610
Dahntay Jones DEN 0.445
DETROIT PISTONS
Will Bynum DET 0.819
Antonio McDyess DET 0.799
Rasheed Wallace DET 0.767
Allen Iverson DET 0.760
Amir Johnson DET 0.742
Richard Hamilton DET 0.742
Rodney Stuckey DET 0.713
Tayshaun Prince DET 0.698
Kwame Brown DET 0.675
Jason Maxiell DET 0.597
Walter Herrmann DET 0.545
Arron Afflalo DET 0.386
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Andris Biedrins GSW 0.994
Brandan Wright GSW 0.905
Anthony Randolph GSW 0.863
Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.830
Stephen Jackson GSW 0.816
Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.742
C.J. Watson GSW 0.728
Corey Maggette GSW 0.721
Monta Ellis GSW 0.698
Anthony Morrow GSW 0.687
Jamal Crawford GSW 0.668
Marco Belinelli GSW 0.628
Rob Kurz GSW 0.612
HOUSTON ROCKETS
Yao Ming HOU 1.042
Tracy McGrady HOU 0.810
Ron Artest HOU 0.806
Luis Scola HOU 0.793
Kyle Lowry HOU 0.771
Carl Landry HOU 0.724
Rafer Alston HOU 0.641
Von Wafer HOU 0.622
Aaron Brooks HOU 0.621
Shane Battier HOU 0.591
Chuck Hayes HOU 0.541
Brent Barry HOU 0.498
Luther Head HOU 0.440
INDIANA PACERS
Danny Granger IND 0.923
Troy Murphy IND 0.902
T.J. Ford IND 0.834
Jeff Foster IND 0.770
Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.763
Travis Diener IND 0.755
Roy Hibbert IND 0.747
Marquis Daniels IND 0.710
Jarrett Jack IND 0.658
Mike Dunleavy IND 0.621
Brandon Rush IND 0.531
Stephen Graham IND 0.498
LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Marcus Camby LAC 1.013
Zach Randolph LAC 0.941
Baron Davis LAC 0.790
Chris Kaman LAC 0.756
Paul Davis LAC 0.680
Eric Gordon LAC 0.651
DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.635
Mardy Collins LAC 0.631
Mike Taylor LAC 0.605
Steve Novak LAC 0.595
Al Thornton LAC 0.590
Brian Skinner LAC 0.587
Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.536
Jason Hart LAC 0.535
Fred Jones LAC 0.533
Ricky Davis LAC 0.392
LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Kobe Bryant LAL 1.075
Pau Gasol LAL 1.000
Andrew Bynum LAL 0.940
Lamar Odom LAL 0.923
Trevor Ariza LAL 0.766
Luke Walton LAL 0.701
Derek Fisher LAL 0.647
Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.633
Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.571
Jordan Farmar LAL 0.557
Josh Powell LAL 0.445
MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Darko Milicic MEM 0.738
Hakim Warrick MEM 0.731
Mike Conley MEM 0.711
Marc Gasol MEM 0.710
Rudy Gay MEM 0.639
Kyle Lowry MEM 0.628
O.J. Mayo MEM 0.610
Marko Jaric MEM 0.602
Darrell Arthur MEM 0.599
Greg Buckner MEM 0.492
Quinton Ross MEM 0.477
MIAMI HEAT
Dwyane Wade MIA 1.295
Michael Beasley MIA 0.887
Shawn Marion MIA 0.875
Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.796
Mario Chalmers MIA 0.762
Udonis Haslem MIA 0.724
Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.714
Chris Quinn MIA 0.682
Joel Anthony MIA 0.618
Daequan Cook MIA 0.603
Jamario Moon MIA 0.603
James Jones MIA 0.508
Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.413
MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Andrew Bogut MIL 0.963
Ramon Sessions MIL 0.836
Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.825
Michael Redd MIL 0.790
Luke Ridnour MIL 0.758
Richard Jefferson MIL 0.701
Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.701
Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.596
Tyronn Lue MIL 0.580
Keith Bogans MIL 0.554
Francisco Elson MIL 0.513
Charlie Bell MIL 0.509
Malik Allen MIL 0.487
Joe Alexander MIL 0.481
MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Al Jefferson MIN 1.065
Kevin Love MIN 0.823
Craig Smith MIN 0.754
Mike Miller MIN 0.722
Corey Brewer MIN 0.692
Randy Foye MIN 0.646
Ryan Gomes MIN 0.600
Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.599
Rodney Carney MIN 0.586
Brian Cardinal MIN 0.551
Kevin Ollie MIN 0.546
Rashad McCants MIN 0.512
Jason Collins MIN 0.285
NEW JERSEY NETS
Devin Harris NJN 0.872
Vince Carter NJN 0.833
Brook Lopez NJN 0.798
Josh Boone NJN 0.742
Ryan Anderson NJN 0.678
Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.655
Keyon Dooling NJN 0.648
Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.644
Yi Jianlian NJN 0.603
Bobby Simmons NJN 0.577
Eduardo Najera NJN 0.565
Sean Williams NJN 0.454
Trenton Hassell NJN 0.398
NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Chris Paul NOH 1.277
David West NOH 0.829
Julian Wright NOH 0.770
Tyson Chandler NOH 0.672
Antonio Daniels NOH 0.634
Devin Brown NOH 0.598
Morris Peterson NOH 0.596
James Posey NOH 0.566
Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.559
Rasual Butler NOH 0.526
Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.505
Sean Marks NOH 0.469
Melvin Ely NOH 0.313
NEW YORK KNICKS
Zach Randolph NYK 1.000
David Lee NYK 0.907
Nate Robinson NYK 0.893
Al Harrington NYK 0.778
Tim Thomas NYK 0.734
Chris Wilcox NYK 0.714
Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.713
Jamal Crawford NYK 0.712
Wilson Chandler NYK 0.658
Chris Duhon NYK 0.650
Quentin Richardson NYK 0.637
Larry Hughes NYK 0.603
Jared Jeffries NYK 0.572
OKLAHOMA THUNDER
Kevin Durant OKC 0.876
Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.820
Joe Smith OKC 0.780
Russell Westbrook OKC 0.753
Chris Wilcox OKC 0.731
Nick Collison OKC 0.716
Nenad Krstic OKC 0.716
Malik Rose OKC 0.697
Johan Petro OKC 0.662
Jeff Green OKC 0.661
Robert Swift OKC 0.596
Earl Watson OKC 0.590
Kyle Weaver OKC 0.578
Damien Wilkins OKC 0.491
Desmond Mason OKC 0.482
ORLANDO MAGIC
Dwight Howard ORL 1.083
Jameer Nelson ORL 0.940
Marcin Gortat ORL 0.821
Rashard Lewis ORL 0.761
Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.752
Rafer Alston ORL 0.751
Tony Battie ORL 0.670
Anthony Johnson ORL 0.614
Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.559
Courtney Lee ORL 0.506
Keith Bogans ORL 0.481
J.J. Redick ORL 0.479
PHILADELPHIA 76'ERS
Andre Miller PHI 0.898
Andre Iguodala PHI 0.876
Elton Brand PHI 0.839
Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.765
Thaddeus Young PHI 0.734
Marreese Speights PHI 0.703
Louis Williams PHI 0.676
Willie Green PHI 0.580
Reggie Evans PHI 0.511
Theo Ratliff PHI 0.502
Royal Ivey PHI 0.322
PHOENIX SUNS
Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.974
Steve Nash PHO 0.956
Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.944
Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.867
Boris Diaw PHO 0.800
Grant Hill PHO 0.766
Jared Dudley PHO 0.721
Jason Richardson PHO 0.711
Louis Amundson PHO 0.668
Matt Barnes PHO 0.656
Goran Dragic PHO 0.651
Robin Lopez PHO 0.578
Raja Bell PHO 0.487
PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
Brandon Roy POR 0.981
Joel Przybilla POR 0.852
LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.840
Steve Blake POR 0.721
Greg Oden POR 0.720
Rudy Fernandez POR 0.695
Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.659
Travis Outlaw POR 0.636
Nicolas Batum POR 0.580
Channing Frye POR 0.455
Jerryd Bayless POR 0.363
SACRAMENTO KINGS
Rashad McCants SAC 0.842
Brad Miller SAC 0.800
John Salmons SAC 0.724
Jason Thompson SAC 0.715
Kevin Martin SAC 0.707
Bobby Jackson SAC 0.700
Shelden Williams SAC 0.691
Spencer Hawes SAC 0.683
Francisco Garcia SAC 0.659
Andres Nocioni SAC 0.657
Beno Udrih SAC 0.651
Mikki Moore SAC 0.572
Donte Greene SAC 0.448
Bobby Brown SAC 0.393
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Tim Duncan SAS 1.076
Tony Parker SAS 0.985
Manu Ginobili SAS 0.888
Drew Gooden SAS 0.801
Kurt Thomas SAS 0.790
Matt Bonner SAS 0.739
Ime Udoka SAS 0.639
George Hill SAS 0.614
Roger Mason SAS 0.581
Michael Finley SAS 0.540
Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.501
Bruce Bowen SAS 0.369
TORONTO RAPTORS
Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
Will Solomon TOR 0.684
Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
Joey Graham TOR 0.609
Jason Kapono TOR 0.473
UTAH JAZZ
Deron Williams UTA 0.957
Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
C.J. Miles UTA 0.518
WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
Caron Butler WAS 0.808
Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
Nick Young WAS 0.631
Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
Mike James WAS 0.559
Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432
The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is located here. You must consult the Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to understand how to make the best use of them.
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FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
BY TEAM
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399
NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more
ATLANTA HAWKS
Al Horford ATL 0.872
Joe Johnson ATL 0.851
Josh Smith ATL 0.821
Mike Bibby ATL 0.759
Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.758
Ronald Murray ATL 0.730
Marvin Williams ATL 0.707
Acie Law ATL 0.666
Maurice Evans ATL 0.517
Solomon Jones ATL 0.478
BOSTON CELTICS
Kevin Garnett BOS 1.106
Rajon Rondo BOS 0.938
Paul Pierce BOS 0.795
Leon Powe BOS 0.786
Ray Allen BOS 0.762
Eddie House BOS 0.707
Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.666
Tony Allen BOS 0.652
Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.589
Glen Davis BOS 0.522
Mikki Moore BOS 0.450
Stephon Marbury BOS 0.383
Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.358
CHARLOTTE BOBCATS
Gerald Wallace CHA 0.847
Emeka Okafor CHA 0.832
Boris Diaw CHA 0.751
Raymond Felton CHA 0.745
Jason Richardson CHA 0.692
D.J. Augustin CHA 0.665
Raja Bell CHA 0.587
Jared Dudley CHA 0.563
Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.521
DeSagana Diop CHA 0.496
Shannon Brown CHA 0.491
Juwan Howard CHA 0.480
Matt Carroll CHA 0.458
Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.435
Sean May CHA 0.425
Adam Morrison CHA 0.334
CHICAGO BULLS
Brad Miller CHI 0.916
Joakim Noah CHI 0.824
Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.792
Drew Gooden CHI 0.778
Derrick Rose CHI 0.774
Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.760
Luol Deng CHI 0.746
Ben Gordon CHI 0.737
Larry Hughes CHI 0.686
John Salmons CHI 0.669
Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.632
Andres Nocioni CHI 0.610
Aaron Gray CHI 0.597
CLEVELAND CAVALIERS
LeBron James CLE 1.331
Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.913
Mo Williams CLE 0.789
Ben Wallace CLE 0.759
Delonte West CLE 0.748
Joe Smith CLE 0.705
Anderson Varejao CLE 0.694
Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.542
J.J. Hickson CLE 0.485
Daniel Gibson CLE 0.478
Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.393
Darnell Jackson CLE 0.283
DALLAS MAVERICKS
Dirk Nowitzki DAL 1.019
Jason Kidd DAL 0.932
James Singleton DAL 0.828
Jason Terry DAL 0.827
Josh Howard DAL 0.804
Erick Dampier DAL 0.761
Jose Barea DAL 0.734
Brandon Bass DAL 0.733
Gerald Green DAL 0.525
DeSagana Diop DAL 0.500
Antoine Wright DAL 0.421
Devean George DAL 0.377
DENVER NUGGETS
Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.901
Nene Hilario DEN 0.880
Chauncey Billups DEN 0.870
Chris Andersen DEN 0.835
J.R. Smith DEN 0.824
Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.815
Kenyon Martin DEN 0.754
Anthony Carter DEN 0.669
Linas Kleiza DEN 0.610
Dahntay Jones DEN 0.445
DETROIT PISTONS
Will Bynum DET 0.819
Antonio McDyess DET 0.799
Rasheed Wallace DET 0.767
Allen Iverson DET 0.760
Amir Johnson DET 0.742
Richard Hamilton DET 0.742
Rodney Stuckey DET 0.713
Tayshaun Prince DET 0.698
Kwame Brown DET 0.675
Jason Maxiell DET 0.597
Walter Herrmann DET 0.545
Arron Afflalo DET 0.386
GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS
Andris Biedrins GSW 0.994
Brandan Wright GSW 0.905
Anthony Randolph GSW 0.863
Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.830
Stephen Jackson GSW 0.816
Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.742
C.J. Watson GSW 0.728
Corey Maggette GSW 0.721
Monta Ellis GSW 0.698
Anthony Morrow GSW 0.687
Jamal Crawford GSW 0.668
Marco Belinelli GSW 0.628
Rob Kurz GSW 0.612
HOUSTON ROCKETS
Yao Ming HOU 1.042
Tracy McGrady HOU 0.810
Ron Artest HOU 0.806
Luis Scola HOU 0.793
Kyle Lowry HOU 0.771
Carl Landry HOU 0.724
Rafer Alston HOU 0.641
Von Wafer HOU 0.622
Aaron Brooks HOU 0.621
Shane Battier HOU 0.591
Chuck Hayes HOU 0.541
Brent Barry HOU 0.498
Luther Head HOU 0.440
INDIANA PACERS
Danny Granger IND 0.923
Troy Murphy IND 0.902
T.J. Ford IND 0.834
Jeff Foster IND 0.770
Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.763
Travis Diener IND 0.755
Roy Hibbert IND 0.747
Marquis Daniels IND 0.710
Jarrett Jack IND 0.658
Mike Dunleavy IND 0.621
Brandon Rush IND 0.531
Stephen Graham IND 0.498
LOS ANGELES CLIPPERS
Marcus Camby LAC 1.013
Zach Randolph LAC 0.941
Baron Davis LAC 0.790
Chris Kaman LAC 0.756
Paul Davis LAC 0.680
Eric Gordon LAC 0.651
DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.635
Mardy Collins LAC 0.631
Mike Taylor LAC 0.605
Steve Novak LAC 0.595
Al Thornton LAC 0.590
Brian Skinner LAC 0.587
Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.536
Jason Hart LAC 0.535
Fred Jones LAC 0.533
Ricky Davis LAC 0.392
LOS ANGELES LAKERS
Kobe Bryant LAL 1.075
Pau Gasol LAL 1.000
Andrew Bynum LAL 0.940
Lamar Odom LAL 0.923
Trevor Ariza LAL 0.766
Luke Walton LAL 0.701
Derek Fisher LAL 0.647
Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.633
Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.571
Jordan Farmar LAL 0.557
Josh Powell LAL 0.445
MEMPHIS GRIZZLIES
Darko Milicic MEM 0.738
Hakim Warrick MEM 0.731
Mike Conley MEM 0.711
Marc Gasol MEM 0.710
Rudy Gay MEM 0.639
Kyle Lowry MEM 0.628
O.J. Mayo MEM 0.610
Marko Jaric MEM 0.602
Darrell Arthur MEM 0.599
Greg Buckner MEM 0.492
Quinton Ross MEM 0.477
MIAMI HEAT
Dwyane Wade MIA 1.295
Michael Beasley MIA 0.887
Shawn Marion MIA 0.875
Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.796
Mario Chalmers MIA 0.762
Udonis Haslem MIA 0.724
Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.714
Chris Quinn MIA 0.682
Joel Anthony MIA 0.618
Daequan Cook MIA 0.603
Jamario Moon MIA 0.603
James Jones MIA 0.508
Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.413
MILWAUKEE BUCKS
Andrew Bogut MIL 0.963
Ramon Sessions MIL 0.836
Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.825
Michael Redd MIL 0.790
Luke Ridnour MIL 0.758
Richard Jefferson MIL 0.701
Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.701
Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.596
Tyronn Lue MIL 0.580
Keith Bogans MIL 0.554
Francisco Elson MIL 0.513
Charlie Bell MIL 0.509
Malik Allen MIL 0.487
Joe Alexander MIL 0.481
MINNESOTA TIMBERWOLVES
Al Jefferson MIN 1.065
Kevin Love MIN 0.823
Craig Smith MIN 0.754
Mike Miller MIN 0.722
Corey Brewer MIN 0.692
Randy Foye MIN 0.646
Ryan Gomes MIN 0.600
Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.599
Rodney Carney MIN 0.586
Brian Cardinal MIN 0.551
Kevin Ollie MIN 0.546
Rashad McCants MIN 0.512
Jason Collins MIN 0.285
NEW JERSEY NETS
Devin Harris NJN 0.872
Vince Carter NJN 0.833
Brook Lopez NJN 0.798
Josh Boone NJN 0.742
Ryan Anderson NJN 0.678
Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.655
Keyon Dooling NJN 0.648
Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.644
Yi Jianlian NJN 0.603
Bobby Simmons NJN 0.577
Eduardo Najera NJN 0.565
Sean Williams NJN 0.454
Trenton Hassell NJN 0.398
NEW ORLEANS HORNETS
Chris Paul NOH 1.277
David West NOH 0.829
Julian Wright NOH 0.770
Tyson Chandler NOH 0.672
Antonio Daniels NOH 0.634
Devin Brown NOH 0.598
Morris Peterson NOH 0.596
James Posey NOH 0.566
Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.559
Rasual Butler NOH 0.526
Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.505
Sean Marks NOH 0.469
Melvin Ely NOH 0.313
NEW YORK KNICKS
Zach Randolph NYK 1.000
David Lee NYK 0.907
Nate Robinson NYK 0.893
Al Harrington NYK 0.778
Tim Thomas NYK 0.734
Chris Wilcox NYK 0.714
Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.713
Jamal Crawford NYK 0.712
Wilson Chandler NYK 0.658
Chris Duhon NYK 0.650
Quentin Richardson NYK 0.637
Larry Hughes NYK 0.603
Jared Jeffries NYK 0.572
OKLAHOMA THUNDER
Kevin Durant OKC 0.876
Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.820
Joe Smith OKC 0.780
Russell Westbrook OKC 0.753
Chris Wilcox OKC 0.731
Nick Collison OKC 0.716
Nenad Krstic OKC 0.716
Malik Rose OKC 0.697
Johan Petro OKC 0.662
Jeff Green OKC 0.661
Robert Swift OKC 0.596
Earl Watson OKC 0.590
Kyle Weaver OKC 0.578
Damien Wilkins OKC 0.491
Desmond Mason OKC 0.482
ORLANDO MAGIC
Dwight Howard ORL 1.083
Jameer Nelson ORL 0.940
Marcin Gortat ORL 0.821
Rashard Lewis ORL 0.761
Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.752
Rafer Alston ORL 0.751
Tony Battie ORL 0.670
Anthony Johnson ORL 0.614
Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.559
Courtney Lee ORL 0.506
Keith Bogans ORL 0.481
J.J. Redick ORL 0.479
PHILADELPHIA 76'ERS
Andre Miller PHI 0.898
Andre Iguodala PHI 0.876
Elton Brand PHI 0.839
Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.765
Thaddeus Young PHI 0.734
Marreese Speights PHI 0.703
Louis Williams PHI 0.676
Willie Green PHI 0.580
Reggie Evans PHI 0.511
Theo Ratliff PHI 0.502
Royal Ivey PHI 0.322
PHOENIX SUNS
Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.974
Steve Nash PHO 0.956
Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.944
Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.867
Boris Diaw PHO 0.800
Grant Hill PHO 0.766
Jared Dudley PHO 0.721
Jason Richardson PHO 0.711
Louis Amundson PHO 0.668
Matt Barnes PHO 0.656
Goran Dragic PHO 0.651
Robin Lopez PHO 0.578
Raja Bell PHO 0.487
PORTLAND TRAILBLAZERS
Brandon Roy POR 0.981
Joel Przybilla POR 0.852
LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.840
Steve Blake POR 0.721
Greg Oden POR 0.720
Rudy Fernandez POR 0.695
Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.659
Travis Outlaw POR 0.636
Nicolas Batum POR 0.580
Channing Frye POR 0.455
Jerryd Bayless POR 0.363
SACRAMENTO KINGS
Rashad McCants SAC 0.842
Brad Miller SAC 0.800
John Salmons SAC 0.724
Jason Thompson SAC 0.715
Kevin Martin SAC 0.707
Bobby Jackson SAC 0.700
Shelden Williams SAC 0.691
Spencer Hawes SAC 0.683
Francisco Garcia SAC 0.659
Andres Nocioni SAC 0.657
Beno Udrih SAC 0.651
Mikki Moore SAC 0.572
Donte Greene SAC 0.448
Bobby Brown SAC 0.393
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Tim Duncan SAS 1.076
Tony Parker SAS 0.985
Manu Ginobili SAS 0.888
Drew Gooden SAS 0.801
Kurt Thomas SAS 0.790
Matt Bonner SAS 0.739
Ime Udoka SAS 0.639
George Hill SAS 0.614
Roger Mason SAS 0.581
Michael Finley SAS 0.540
Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.501
Bruce Bowen SAS 0.369
TORONTO RAPTORS
Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
Will Solomon TOR 0.684
Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
Joey Graham TOR 0.609
Jason Kapono TOR 0.473
UTAH JAZZ
Deron Williams UTA 0.957
Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
C.J. Miles UTA 0.518
WASHINGTON WIZARDS
Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
Caron Butler WAS 0.808
Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
Nick Young WAS 0.631
Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
Mike James WAS 0.559
Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432
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NBA Final Real Player Ratings, 2008-09 Season
NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
NBA-WIDE LISTING
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399
NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more
MAJOR HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS; PERFECT PLAYERS for all Practical Purposes
1 LeBron James CLE 1.331
2 Dwyane Wade MIA 1.295
3 Chris Paul NOH 1.277
4 Kevin Garnett BOS 1.106
HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS
5 Dwight Howard ORL 1.083
6 Tim Duncan SAS 1.076
7 Kobe Bryant LAL 1.075
8 Al Jefferson MIN 1.065
9 Yao Ming HOU 1.042
10 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 1.019
11 Marcus Camby LAC 1.013
12 Pau Gasol LAL 1.000
13 Zach Randolph NYK 1.000
SUPERSTARS
14 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.994
15 Tony Parker SAS 0.985
16 Brandon Roy POR 0.981
17 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.974
18 Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
19 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.963
20 Deron Williams UTA 0.957
21 Steve Nash PHO 0.956
22 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.944
23 Zach Randolph LAC 0.941
24 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.940
25 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.940
26 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.938
27 Jason Kidd DAL 0.932
28 Lamar Odom LAL 0.923
29 Danny Granger IND 0.923
30 Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
31 Brad Miller CHI 0.916
32 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.913
33 David Lee NYK 0.907
34 Brandan Wright GSW 0.905
35 Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
36 Troy Murphy IND 0.902
37 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.901
STARS
38 Andre Miller PHI 0.898
39 Nate Robinson NYK 0.893
40 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.888
41 Michael Beasley MIA 0.887
42 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
43 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
44 Nene Hilario DEN 0.880
45 Kevin Durant OKC 0.876
46 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.876
47 Shawn Marion MIA 0.875
48 Devin Harris NJN 0.872
49 Al Horford ATL 0.872
50 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.870
51 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.867
52 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.863
53 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
54 Joel Przybilla POR 0.852
55 Joe Johnson ATL 0.851
56 Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
57 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.847
58 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
59 Rashad McCants SAC 0.842
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.840
61 Elton Brand PHI 0.839
62 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.836
63 Chris Andersen DEN 0.835
64 T.J. Ford IND 0.834
65 Vince Carter NJN 0.833
66 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.832
67 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.830
68 David West NOH 0.829
69 James Singleton DAL 0.828
70 Jason Terry DAL 0.827
71 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.825
72 Joakim Noah CHI 0.824
73 J.R. Smith DEN 0.824
74 Kevin Love MIN 0.823
75 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.821
76 Josh Smith ATL 0.821
77 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.820
78 Will Bynum DET 0.819
79 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.816
80 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.815
81 Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
82 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.810
83 Caron Butler WAS 0.808
84 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
85 Ron Artest HOU 0.806
86 Josh Howard DAL 0.804
87 Drew Gooden SAS 0.801
88 Boris Diaw PHO 0.800
89 Brad Miller SAC 0.800
OUTSTANDING PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS
90 Antonio McDyess DET 0.799
91 Brook Lopez NJN 0.798
92 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.796
93 Paul Pierce BOS 0.795
94 Luis Scola HOU 0.793
95 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.792
96 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.790
97 Michael Redd MIL 0.790
98 Baron Davis LAC 0.790
99 Mo Williams CLE 0.789
100 Leon Powe BOS 0.786
101 Joe Smith OKC 0.780
102 Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
103 Drew Gooden CHI 0.778
104 Al Harrington NYK 0.778
105 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
106 Derrick Rose CHI 0.774
107 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.771
108 Julian Wright NOH 0.770
109 Jeff Foster IND 0.770
110 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.767
111 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.766
112 Grant Hill PHO 0.766
113 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.765
114 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.763
115 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.762
116 Ray Allen BOS 0.762
117 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.761
118 Erick Dampier DAL 0.761
119 Allen Iverson DET 0.760
120 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.760
121 Ben Wallace CLE 0.759
122 Mike Bibby ATL 0.759
123 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.758
124 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.758
125 Chris Kaman LAC 0.756
126 Travis Diener IND 0.755
127 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.754
128 Craig Smith MIN 0.754
129 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.753
130 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.752
131 Boris Diaw CHA 0.751
132 Rafer Alston ORL 0.751
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS: GOOD ENOUGH TO START
133 Delonte West CLE 0.748
134 Roy Hibbert IND 0.747
135 Luol Deng CHI 0.746
136 Raymond Felton CHA 0.745
137 Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
138 Amir Johnson DET 0.742
139 Josh Boone NJN 0.742
140 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.742
141 Richard Hamilton DET 0.742
142 Matt Bonner SAS 0.739
143 Darko Milicic MEM 0.738
144 Ben Gordon CHI 0.737
145 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.734
146 Tim Thomas NYK 0.734
147 Jose Barea DAL 0.734
148 Brandon Bass DAL 0.733
149 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.731
150 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.731
151 Ronald Murray ATL 0.730
152 Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
153 C.J. Watson GSW 0.728
154 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.724
155 Carl Landry HOU 0.724
156 John Salmons SAC 0.724
157 Mike Miller MIN 0.722
158 Steve Blake POR 0.721
159 Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
160 Corey Maggette GSW 0.721
161 Jared Dudley PHO 0.721
162 Greg Oden POR 0.720
163 Nick Collison OKC 0.716
164 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.716
165 Jason Thompson SAC 0.715
166 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.714
167 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.714
168 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.713
169 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.713
170 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.712
171 Jason Richardson PHO 0.711
172 Mike Conley MEM 0.711
173 Marc Gasol MEM 0.710
174 Marquis Daniels IND 0.710
175 Marvin Williams ATL 0.707
176 Eddie House BOS 0.707
177 Kevin Martin SAC 0.707
178 Joe Smith CLE 0.705
179 Marreese Speights PHI 0.703
180 Luke Walton LAL 0.701
181 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.701
182 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.701
183 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS: OFTEN GOOD 6TH MEN
184 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.698
185 Monta Ellis GSW 0.698
186 Malik Rose OKC 0.697
187 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
188 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.695
189 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.694
190 Corey Brewer MIN 0.692
191 Jason Richardson CHA 0.692
192 JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
193 Shelden Williams SAC 0.691
194 Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
195 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.687
196 Larry Hughes CHI 0.686
197 Will Solomon TOR 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.683
199 Chris Quinn MIA 0.682
200 Paul Davis LAC 0.680
201 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.678
202 Louis Williams PHI 0.676
203 Kwame Brown DET 0.675
204 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.672
205 Tony Battie ORL 0.670
206 John Salmons CHI 0.669
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.669
208 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.668
209 Louis Amundson PHO 0.668
210 Acie Law ATL 0.666
211 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.666
212 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.665
213 Johan Petro OKC 0.662
214 Jeff Green OKC 0.661
215 Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
216 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.659
217 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.659
218 Jarrett Jack IND 0.658
219 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.658
220 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.657
221 Matt Barnes PHO 0.656
222 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.655
223 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
224 Tony Allen BOS 0.652
225 Eric Gordon LAC 0.651
226 Beno Udrih SAC 0.651
227 Goran Dragic PHO 0.651
228 Chris Duhon NYK 0.650
229 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.648
230 Derek Fisher LAL 0.647
231 Randy Foye MIN 0.646
232 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.644
233 Rafer Alston HOU 0.641
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS
234 Rudy Gay MEM 0.639
235 Ime Udoka SAS 0.639
236 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.637
237 Travis Outlaw POR 0.636
238 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.635
239 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.634
240 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.633
241 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.632
242 Mardy Collins LAC 0.631
243 Nick Young WAS 0.631
244 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.628
245 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.628
246 Von Wafer HOU 0.622
247 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.621
248 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.621
249 Joel Anthony MIA 0.618
250 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.614
251 George Hill SAS 0.614
252 Rob Kurz GSW 0.612
253 Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
254 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.610
256 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.610
257 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.610
258 Joey Graham TOR 0.609
259 Mike Taylor LAC 0.605
260 Larry Hughes NYK 0.603
261 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.603
262 Daequan Cook MIA 0.603
263 Jamario Moon MIA 0.603
264 Marko Jaric MEM 0.602
265 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.600
266 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.599
267 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.599
268 Devin Brown NOH 0.598
269 Jason Maxiell DET 0.597
270 Aaron Gray CHI 0.597
271 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.596
272 Morris Peterson NOH 0.596
273 Robert Swift OKC 0.596
274 Steve Novak LAC 0.595
275 Shane Battier HOU 0.591
276 Al Thornton LAC 0.590
277 Earl Watson OKC 0.590
278 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.589
279 Raja Bell CHA 0.587
280 Brian Skinner LAC 0.587
281 Rodney Carney MIN 0.586
282 Roger Mason SAS 0.581
283 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.580
284 Willie Green PHI 0.580
285 Nicolas Batum POR 0.580
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS
286 Robin Lopez PHO 0.578
287 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.578
288 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.577
289 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.572
290 Mikki Moore SAC 0.572
291 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.571
292 James Posey NOH 0.566
293 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.565
294 Jared Dudley CHA 0.563
295 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.559
296 Mike James WAS 0.559
297 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.559
298 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
299 Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
300 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.557
301 Keith Bogans MIL 0.554
302 Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
303 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.551
304 Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
305 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.546
306 Walter Herrmann DET 0.545
307 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.542
308 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.541
309 Michael Finley SAS 0.540
310 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.536
311 Jason Hart LAC 0.535
312 Fred Jones LAC 0.533
313 Brandon Rush IND 0.531
314 Rasual Butler NOH 0.526
315 Gerald Green DAL 0.525
316 Glen Davis BOS 0.522
317 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.521
POOR PLAYERS
318 C.J. Miles UTA 0.518
319 Maurice Evans ATL 0.517
320 Francisco Elson MIL 0.513
321 Rashad McCants MIN 0.512
322 Reggie Evans PHI 0.511
323 Charlie Bell MIL 0.509
324 James Jones MIA 0.508
325 Courtney Lee ORL 0.506
326 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.505
327 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.502
328 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.501
329 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.500
330 Stephen Graham IND 0.498
331 Brent Barry HOU 0.498
332 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.496
333 Greg Buckner MEM 0.492
334 Shannon Brown CHA 0.491
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.491
336 Raja Bell PHO 0.487
337 Malik Allen MIL 0.487
338 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.485
339 Desmond Mason OKC 0.482
340 Keith Bogans ORL 0.481
341 Joe Alexander MIL 0.481
342 Juwan Howard CHA 0.480
343 J.J. Redick ORL 0.479
344 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.478
345 Solomon Jones ATL 0.478
346 Quinton Ross MEM 0.477
347 Jason Kapono TOR 0.473
348 Sean Marks NOH 0.469
VERY POOR PLAYERS
349 Matt Carroll CHA 0.458
350 Channing Frye POR 0.455
351 Sean Williams NJN 0.454
352 Mikki Moore BOS 0.450
353 Donte Greene SAC 0.448
354 Josh Powell LAL 0.445
355 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.445
356 Luther Head HOU 0.440
357 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.435
358 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432
359 Sean May CHA 0.425
360 Antoine Wright DAL 0.421
361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.413
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
362 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.398
363 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.393
364 Bobby Brown SAC 0.393
365 Ricky Davis LAC 0.392
366 Arron Afflalo DET 0.386
367 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.383
368 Devean George DAL 0.377
369 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.369
370 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.363
371 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.358
372 Adam Morrison CHA 0.334
373 Royal Ivey PHI 0.322
374 Melvin Ely NOH 0.313
375 Jason Collins MIN 0.285
376 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.283
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399
NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more
The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is located here. You must consult the Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to understand how to make the best use of them.
Unedited, Raw Game Notes are Here
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FINAL REAL PLAYER RATINGS
NBA-WIDE LISTING
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399
NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more
MAJOR HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS; PERFECT PLAYERS for all Practical Purposes
1 LeBron James CLE 1.331
2 Dwyane Wade MIA 1.295
3 Chris Paul NOH 1.277
4 Kevin Garnett BOS 1.106
HISTORICAL SUPERSTARS
5 Dwight Howard ORL 1.083
6 Tim Duncan SAS 1.076
7 Kobe Bryant LAL 1.075
8 Al Jefferson MIN 1.065
9 Yao Ming HOU 1.042
10 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 1.019
11 Marcus Camby LAC 1.013
12 Pau Gasol LAL 1.000
13 Zach Randolph NYK 1.000
SUPERSTARS
14 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.994
15 Tony Parker SAS 0.985
16 Brandon Roy POR 0.981
17 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.974
18 Chris Bosh TOR 0.973
19 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.963
20 Deron Williams UTA 0.957
21 Steve Nash PHO 0.956
22 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.944
23 Zach Randolph LAC 0.941
24 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.940
25 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.940
26 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.938
27 Jason Kidd DAL 0.932
28 Lamar Odom LAL 0.923
29 Danny Granger IND 0.923
30 Paul Millsap UTA 0.918
31 Brad Miller CHI 0.916
32 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.913
33 David Lee NYK 0.907
34 Brandan Wright GSW 0.905
35 Jose Calderon TOR 0.903
36 Troy Murphy IND 0.902
37 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.901
STARS
38 Andre Miller PHI 0.898
39 Nate Robinson NYK 0.893
40 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.888
41 Michael Beasley MIA 0.887
42 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.885
43 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.883
44 Nene Hilario DEN 0.880
45 Kevin Durant OKC 0.876
46 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.876
47 Shawn Marion MIA 0.875
48 Devin Harris NJN 0.872
49 Al Horford ATL 0.872
50 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.870
51 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.867
52 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.863
53 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.853
54 Joel Przybilla POR 0.852
55 Joe Johnson ATL 0.851
56 Jamario Moon TOR 0.849
57 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.847
58 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.847
59 Rashad McCants SAC 0.842
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.840
61 Elton Brand PHI 0.839
62 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.836
63 Chris Andersen DEN 0.835
64 T.J. Ford IND 0.834
65 Vince Carter NJN 0.833
66 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.832
67 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.830
68 David West NOH 0.829
69 James Singleton DAL 0.828
70 Jason Terry DAL 0.827
71 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.825
72 Joakim Noah CHI 0.824
73 J.R. Smith DEN 0.824
74 Kevin Love MIN 0.823
75 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.821
76 Josh Smith ATL 0.821
77 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.820
78 Will Bynum DET 0.819
79 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.816
80 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.815
81 Andray Blatche WAS 0.811
82 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.810
83 Caron Butler WAS 0.808
84 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.806
85 Ron Artest HOU 0.806
86 Josh Howard DAL 0.804
87 Drew Gooden SAS 0.801
88 Boris Diaw PHO 0.800
89 Brad Miller SAC 0.800
OUTSTANDING PLAYERS: SOLID STARTERS
90 Antonio McDyess DET 0.799
91 Brook Lopez NJN 0.798
92 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.796
93 Paul Pierce BOS 0.795
94 Luis Scola HOU 0.793
95 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.792
96 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.790
97 Michael Redd MIL 0.790
98 Baron Davis LAC 0.790
99 Mo Williams CLE 0.789
100 Leon Powe BOS 0.786
101 Joe Smith OKC 0.780
102 Brevin Knight UTA 0.779
103 Drew Gooden CHI 0.778
104 Al Harrington NYK 0.778
105 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.775
106 Derrick Rose CHI 0.774
107 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.771
108 Julian Wright NOH 0.770
109 Jeff Foster IND 0.770
110 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.767
111 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.766
112 Grant Hill PHO 0.766
113 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.765
114 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.763
115 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.762
116 Ray Allen BOS 0.762
117 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.761
118 Erick Dampier DAL 0.761
119 Allen Iverson DET 0.760
120 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.760
121 Ben Wallace CLE 0.759
122 Mike Bibby ATL 0.759
123 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.758
124 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.758
125 Chris Kaman LAC 0.756
126 Travis Diener IND 0.755
127 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.754
128 Craig Smith MIN 0.754
129 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.753
130 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.752
131 Boris Diaw CHA 0.751
132 Rafer Alston ORL 0.751
MAJOR ROLE PLAYERS: GOOD ENOUGH TO START
133 Delonte West CLE 0.748
134 Roy Hibbert IND 0.747
135 Luol Deng CHI 0.746
136 Raymond Felton CHA 0.745
137 Shawn Marion TOR 0.743
138 Amir Johnson DET 0.742
139 Josh Boone NJN 0.742
140 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.742
141 Richard Hamilton DET 0.742
142 Matt Bonner SAS 0.739
143 Darko Milicic MEM 0.738
144 Ben Gordon CHI 0.737
145 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.734
146 Tim Thomas NYK 0.734
147 Jose Barea DAL 0.734
148 Brandon Bass DAL 0.733
149 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.731
150 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.731
151 Ronald Murray ATL 0.730
152 Matt Harpring UTA 0.728
153 C.J. Watson GSW 0.728
154 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.724
155 Carl Landry HOU 0.724
156 John Salmons SAC 0.724
157 Mike Miller MIN 0.722
158 Steve Blake POR 0.721
159 Darius Songaila WAS 0.721
160 Corey Maggette GSW 0.721
161 Jared Dudley PHO 0.721
162 Greg Oden POR 0.720
163 Nick Collison OKC 0.716
164 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.716
165 Jason Thompson SAC 0.715
166 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.714
167 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.714
168 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.713
169 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.713
170 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.712
171 Jason Richardson PHO 0.711
172 Mike Conley MEM 0.711
173 Marc Gasol MEM 0.710
174 Marquis Daniels IND 0.710
175 Marvin Williams ATL 0.707
176 Eddie House BOS 0.707
177 Kevin Martin SAC 0.707
178 Joe Smith CLE 0.705
179 Marreese Speights PHI 0.703
180 Luke Walton LAL 0.701
181 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.701
182 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.701
183 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.700
GOOD ROLE PLAYERS: OFTEN GOOD 6TH MEN
184 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.698
185 Monta Ellis GSW 0.698
186 Malik Rose OKC 0.697
187 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.696
188 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.695
189 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.694
190 Corey Brewer MIN 0.692
191 Jason Richardson CHA 0.692
192 JaVale McGee WAS 0.692
193 Shelden Williams SAC 0.691
194 Kyle Korver UTA 0.689
195 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.687
196 Larry Hughes CHI 0.686
197 Will Solomon TOR 0.684
198 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.683
199 Chris Quinn MIA 0.682
200 Paul Davis LAC 0.680
201 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.678
202 Louis Williams PHI 0.676
203 Kwame Brown DET 0.675
204 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.672
205 Tony Battie ORL 0.670
206 John Salmons CHI 0.669
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.669
208 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.668
209 Louis Amundson PHO 0.668
210 Acie Law ATL 0.666
211 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.666
212 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.665
213 Johan Petro OKC 0.662
214 Jeff Green OKC 0.661
215 Anthony Parker TOR 0.661
216 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.659
217 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.659
218 Jarrett Jack IND 0.658
219 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.658
220 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.657
221 Matt Barnes PHO 0.656
222 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.655
223 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.655
224 Tony Allen BOS 0.652
225 Eric Gordon LAC 0.651
226 Beno Udrih SAC 0.651
227 Goran Dragic PHO 0.651
228 Chris Duhon NYK 0.650
229 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.648
230 Derek Fisher LAL 0.647
231 Randy Foye MIN 0.646
232 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.644
233 Rafer Alston HOU 0.641
SATISFACTORY ROLE PLAYERS
234 Rudy Gay MEM 0.639
235 Ime Udoka SAS 0.639
236 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.637
237 Travis Outlaw POR 0.636
238 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.635
239 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.634
240 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.633
241 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.632
242 Mardy Collins LAC 0.631
243 Nick Young WAS 0.631
244 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.628
245 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.628
246 Von Wafer HOU 0.622
247 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.621
248 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.621
249 Joel Anthony MIA 0.618
250 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.614
251 George Hill SAS 0.614
252 Rob Kurz GSW 0.612
253 Roko Ukic TOR 0.612
254 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.611
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.610
256 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.610
257 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.610
258 Joey Graham TOR 0.609
259 Mike Taylor LAC 0.605
260 Larry Hughes NYK 0.603
261 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.603
262 Daequan Cook MIA 0.603
263 Jamario Moon MIA 0.603
264 Marko Jaric MEM 0.602
265 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.600
266 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.599
267 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.599
268 Devin Brown NOH 0.598
269 Jason Maxiell DET 0.597
270 Aaron Gray CHI 0.597
271 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.596
272 Morris Peterson NOH 0.596
273 Robert Swift OKC 0.596
274 Steve Novak LAC 0.595
275 Shane Battier HOU 0.591
276 Al Thornton LAC 0.590
277 Earl Watson OKC 0.590
278 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.589
279 Raja Bell CHA 0.587
280 Brian Skinner LAC 0.587
281 Rodney Carney MIN 0.586
282 Roger Mason SAS 0.581
283 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.580
284 Willie Green PHI 0.580
285 Nicolas Batum POR 0.580
MARGINAL ROLE PLAYERS
286 Robin Lopez PHO 0.578
287 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.578
288 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.577
289 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.572
290 Mikki Moore SAC 0.572
291 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.571
292 James Posey NOH 0.566
293 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.565
294 Jared Dudley CHA 0.563
295 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.559
296 Mike James WAS 0.559
297 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.559
298 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.558
299 Etan Thomas WAS 0.558
300 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.557
301 Keith Bogans MIL 0.554
302 Ronnie Price UTA 0.554
303 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.551
304 Juan Dixon WAS 0.549
305 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.546
306 Walter Herrmann DET 0.545
307 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.542
308 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.541
309 Michael Finley SAS 0.540
310 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.536
311 Jason Hart LAC 0.535
312 Fred Jones LAC 0.533
313 Brandon Rush IND 0.531
314 Rasual Butler NOH 0.526
315 Gerald Green DAL 0.525
316 Glen Davis BOS 0.522
317 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.521
POOR PLAYERS
318 C.J. Miles UTA 0.518
319 Maurice Evans ATL 0.517
320 Francisco Elson MIL 0.513
321 Rashad McCants MIN 0.512
322 Reggie Evans PHI 0.511
323 Charlie Bell MIL 0.509
324 James Jones MIA 0.508
325 Courtney Lee ORL 0.506
326 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.505
327 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.502
328 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.501
329 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.500
330 Stephen Graham IND 0.498
331 Brent Barry HOU 0.498
332 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.496
333 Greg Buckner MEM 0.492
334 Shannon Brown CHA 0.491
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.491
336 Raja Bell PHO 0.487
337 Malik Allen MIL 0.487
338 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.485
339 Desmond Mason OKC 0.482
340 Keith Bogans ORL 0.481
341 Joe Alexander MIL 0.481
342 Juwan Howard CHA 0.480
343 J.J. Redick ORL 0.479
344 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.478
345 Solomon Jones ATL 0.478
346 Quinton Ross MEM 0.477
347 Jason Kapono TOR 0.473
348 Sean Marks NOH 0.469
VERY POOR PLAYERS
349 Matt Carroll CHA 0.458
350 Channing Frye POR 0.455
351 Sean Williams NJN 0.454
352 Mikki Moore BOS 0.450
353 Donte Greene SAC 0.448
354 Josh Powell LAL 0.445
355 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.445
356 Luther Head HOU 0.440
357 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.435
358 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.432
359 Sean May CHA 0.425
360 Antoine Wright DAL 0.421
361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.413
EXTREMELY POOR PLAYERS
362 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.398
363 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.393
364 Bobby Brown SAC 0.393
365 Ricky Davis LAC 0.392
366 Arron Afflalo DET 0.386
367 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.383
368 Devean George DAL 0.377
369 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.369
370 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.363
371 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.358
372 Adam Morrison CHA 0.334
373 Royal Ivey PHI 0.322
374 Melvin Ely NOH 0.313
375 Jason Collins MIN 0.285
376 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.283
SCALE FOR REGULAR SEASON REAL PLAYER RATINGS
Perfect for all Practical Purposes / Major Historic Super Star 1.100 and more
Historic Super Star 1.000 1.099
Super Star 0.900 0.999
A Star Player / A Well Above Normal Starter 0.800 0.899
Outstanding Player: A Solid Starter 0.750 0.799
Major Role Player / Good Enough to Start 0.700 0.749
Good Role Player / Often a Good 6th Man 0.640 0.699
Satisfactory Role Player 0.580 0.639
Marginal Role Player 0.520 0.579
Poor Player 0.460 0.519
Very Poor Player 0.400 0.459
Extremely Poor Player and less 0.399
NOTE REGARDING LOW REGULAR SEASON RATINGS
Players rated below about .550 sometimes get playing time based largely on factors outside of RPR, but valued by coaches and other players, such as:
--Great energy, effort, and hustle
--Toughness, such as diving after loose balls and taking charges
--Leadership and/or knowledge, especially in the case of veterans
--Perceived potential for future improvement in terms of real basketball production, especially in the case of young players
--See User Guide for more
The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is located here. You must consult the Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to understand how to make the best use of them.
Unedited, Raw Game Notes are Here
You Can Post Your Response to Anything on Quest Here
NBA Players Rated and Ranked According to Total Real Player Production, 2008-09 Season
NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
TOTAL REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO TOTAL NET BASKETBALL PRODUCTION
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked offensive actions, all tracked defensive actions, and an estimate of the value of hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
1 LeBron James CLE 4063.44
2 Dwyane Wade MIA 3947.25
3 Chris Paul NOH 3833.48
4 Kobe Bryant LAL 3180.83
5 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 3106.65
6 Dwight Howard ORL 3056.22
7 Pau Gasol LAL 3000.49
8 Andre Iguodala PHI 2862.63
9 Chris Bosh TOR 2849.87
10 Brandon Roy POR 2848.57
11 Antawn Jamison WAS 2734.88
12 Tim Duncan SAS 2713.51
13 Yao Ming HOU 2696.89
14 Jason Kidd DAL 2688.81
15 Andre Miller PHI 2673.03
16 Joe Johnson ATL 2657.55
17 David Lee NYK 2560.37
18 Kevin Durant OKC 2527.09
19 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 2524.24
20 Rajon Rondo BOS 2477.43
21 David West NOH 2472.73
22 Vince Carter NJN 2455.47
23 Tony Parker SAS 2418.05
24 Paul Pierce BOS 2412.73
25 Deron Williams UTA 2397.17
26 Steve Nash PHO 2374.93
27 Chauncey Billups DEN 2364.79
28 Derrick Rose CHI 2321.20
29 Raymond Felton CHA 2298.88
30 Gerald Wallace CHA 2260.90
31 Emeka Okafor CHA 2240.16
32 Troy Murphy IND 2238.69
33 Danny Granger IND 2236.28
34 Mo Williams CLE 2236.08
35 Ben Gordon CHI 2210.55
36 Nene Hilario DEN 2209.26
37 Ray Allen BOS 2190.08
38 Rashard Lewis ORL 2177.03
39 Devin Harris NJN 2174.11
40 Lamar Odom LAL 2138.75
41 Tayshaun Prince DET 2135.07
42 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 2124.84
43 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 2115.89
44 Jose Calderon TOR 2107.47
45 Paul Millsap UTA 2102.41
46 Caron Butler WAS 2089.41
47 Mike Bibby ATL 2078.95
48 Jason Terry DAL 2060.73
49 Richard Jefferson MIL 2060.56
50 Carmelo Anthony DEN 2051.97
51 Russell Westbrook OKC 2008.54
52 Mario Chalmers MIA 1999.71
53 Brook Lopez NJN 1996.15
54 Josh Smith ATL 1987.23
55 Ron Artest HOU 1976.48
56 Luis Scola HOU 1972.33
57 Nate Robinson NYK 1971.65
58 Kevin Garnett BOS 1960.50
59 Al Jefferson MIN 1954.62
60 Al Horford ATL 1954.05
61 Marcus Camby LAC 1949.23
62 Stephen Jackson GSW 1909.24
63 O.J. Mayo MEM 1904.68
64 Amare Stoudemire PHO 1898.31
65 Jeff Green OKC 1898.18
66 Thaddeus Young PHI 1892.47
67 Chris Duhon NYK 1888.03
68 T.J. Ford IND 1883.37
69 Rudy Gay MEM 1883.07
70 Grant Hill PHO 1872.71
71 Mehmet Okur UTA 1868.03
72 Udonis Haslem MIA 1854.46
73 Andris Biedrins GSW 1852.34
74 Al Harrington NYK 1850.46
75 J.R. Smith DEN 1849.35
76 Ramon Sessions MIL 1817.54
77 Ronnie Brewer UTA 1813.83
78 Wilson Chandler NYK 1800.39
79 Rodney Stuckey DET 1794.47
80 Marc Gasol MEM 1789.81
81 Jarrett Jack IND 1788.47
82 Mike Conley MEM 1783.69
83 Michael Beasley MIA 1781.29
84 Baron Davis LAC 1775.19
85 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 1761.68
86 Eric Gordon LAC 1743.89
87 Anthony Parker TOR 1742.94
88 Charlie Villanueva MIL 1727.71
89 Mike Miller MIN 1700.26
90 Richard Hamilton DET 1690.10
91 Kevin Love MIN 1685.33
92 Boris Diaw CHA 1664.50
93 Joel Przybilla POR 1662.20
94 Tyrus Thomas CHI 1653.68
95 Jason Thompson SAC 1647.28
96 Rasheed Wallace DET 1629.16
97 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 1619.95
98 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 1611.92
99 Randy Foye MIN 1611.07
100 Delonte West CLE 1610.22
101 Andrea Bargnani TOR 1606.97
102 Anderson Varejao CLE 1600.66
103 Joakim Noah CHI 1597.32
104 Kenyon Martin DEN 1591.51
105 Derek Fisher LAL 1578.41
106 Steve Blake POR 1578.37
107 Ryan Gomes MIN 1569.45
108 Al Thornton LAC 1565.66
109 Samuel Dalembert PHI 1557.50
110 Spencer Hawes SAC 1543.22
111 Luke Ridnour MIL 1541.90
112 Trevor Ariza LAL 1530.36
113 Kendrick Perkins BOS 1499.89
114 Allen Iverson DET 1498.03
115 Antonio McDyess DET 1490.48
116 Hakim Warrick MEM 1483.69
117 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 1480.93
118 Marvin Williams ATL 1480.23
119 Leandro Barbosa PHO 1478.80
120 Beno Udrih SAC 1478.17
121 Roger Mason SAS 1449.86
122 Ronald Murray ATL 1441.58
123 John Salmons SAC 1434.11
124 Travis Outlaw POR 1428.27
125 Matt Bonner SAS 1424.63
126 Ronny Turiaf GSW 1407.89
127 Jeff Foster IND 1406.91
128 Erick Dampier DAL 1397.47
129 Jamal Crawford GSW 1394.56
130 Rudy Fernandez POR 1384.55
131 Andray Blatche WAS 1380.43
132 Rasual Butler NOH 1376.15
133 Kevin Martin SAC 1375.95
134 C.J. Watson GSW 1369.94
135 Matt Barnes PHO 1366.43
136 Jason Richardson PHO 1364.82
137 Andrew Bynum LAL 1359.83
138 Keyon Dooling NJN 1344.87
139 Josh Howard DAL 1337.44
140 Shawn Marion MIA 1327.13
141 Nick Collison OKC 1311.85
142 Francisco Garcia SAC 1300.68
143 Louis Williams PHI 1296.67
144 Kyle Korver UTA 1290.38
145 Zach Randolph LAC 1288.90
146 D.J. Augustin CHA 1269.53
147 Dominic McGuire WAS 1267.01
148 Michael Finley SAS 1262.33
149 Sebastian Telfair MIN 1253.96
150 Luol Deng CHI 1242.19
151 Aaron Brooks HOU 1240.19
152 Jameer Nelson ORL 1230.18
153 Chris Andersen DEN 1219.82
154 James Posey NOH 1212.18
155 Quentin Richardson NYK 1206.80
156 Marquis Daniels IND 1206.30
157 Jarvis Hayes NJN 1200.45
158 Shane Battier HOU 1200.42
159 Anthony Carter DEN 1194.00
160 Jose Barea DAL 1174.15
161 Jamario Moon TOR 1170.13
162 Peja Stojakovic NOH 1167.60
163 Nick Young WAS 1158.74
164 Brandon Bass DAL 1153.19
165 Corey Maggette GSW 1145.11
166 Zaza Pachulia ATL 1116.36
167 Linas Kleiza DEN 1111.76
168 Kurt Thomas SAS 1109.61
169 Daequan Cook MIA 1104.89
170 Craig Smith MIN 1100.21
171 Darius Songaila WAS 1097.11
172 Brad Miller SAC 1083.65
173 Andrew Bogut MIL 1082.38
174 Carl Landry HOU 1062.60
175 Kirk Hinrich CHI 1060.53
176 Willie Green PHI 1060.08
177 Manu Ginobili SAS 1048.62
178 Earl Watson OKC 1047.01
179 Eddie House BOS 1045.78
180 Anthony Morrow GSW 1041.56
181 Bobby Jackson SAC 1038.35
182 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 1029.39
183 Rafer Alston HOU 1019.86
184 Ben Wallace CLE 997.72
185 Bobby Simmons NJN 997.25
186 Courtney Lee ORL 980.56
187 Anthony Randolph GSW 973.93
188 Tyson Chandler NOH 971.32
189 Carlos Boozer UTA 965.15
190 Leon Powe BOS 964.91
191 Brandon Rush IND 957.10
192 Tracy McGrady HOU 956.86
193 Maurice Evans ATL 952.06
194 Michael Redd MIL 950.30
195 Greg Oden POR 945.51
196 Raja Bell CHA 941.69
197 Joey Graham TOR 938.85
198 Rasho Nesterovic IND 926.30
199 Anthony Johnson ORL 909.54
200 Charlie Bell MIL 907.90
201 Ryan Anderson NJN 889.23
202 Marreese Speights PHI 887.15
203 Mike James WAS 880.38
204 Darrell Arthur MEM 877.43
205 Jason Kapono TOR 865.67
206 Daniel Gibson CLE 858.15
207 Yi Jianlian NJN 856.93
208 Glen Davis BOS 854.26
209 Nicolas Batum POR 842.74
210 C.J. Miles UTA 841.20
211 Jason Maxiell DET 840.90
212 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 827.14
213 Sasha Vujacic LAL 818.31
214 Luke Walton LAL 817.64
215 Nenad Krstic OKC 817.10
216 Sergio Rodriguez POR 806.78
217 Tony Battie ORL 805.29
218 Fred Jones LAC 797.21
219 JaVale McGee WAS 790.97
220 Andres Nocioni CHI 780.19
221 George Hill SAS 779.38
222 Elton Brand PHI 771.62
223 Darko Milicic MEM 763.46
224 Von Wafer HOU 761.93
225 Roy Hibbert IND 754.06
226 Jared Jeffries NYK 749.43
227 Mickael Pietrus ORL 743.20
228 Josh Boone NJN 738.27
229 James Singleton DAL 732.21
230 Brevin Knight UTA 730.48
231 Drew Gooden CHI 714.44
232 Shawn Marion TOR 708.97
233 Rodney Carney MIN 702.37
234 Louis Amundson PHO 697.01
235 Chris Kaman LAC 696.15
236 Steve Novak LAC 690.54
237 Brad Miller CHI 683.37
238 Amir Johnson DET 676.04
239 Kwame Brown DET 674.38
240 Kyle Weaver OKC 674.05
241 Kyle Lowry MEM 672.07
242 Jordan Farmar LAL 663.39
243 Ime Udoka SAS 661.04
244 Will Bynum DET 657.41
245 Chris Quinn MIA 656.02
246 John Salmons CHI 654.87
247 Antoine Wright DAL 654.15
248 Marcin Gortat ORL 652.27
249 Joel Anthony MIA 647.61
250 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 645.74
251 Rafer Alston ORL 642.75
252 Renaldo Balkman DEN 635.86
253 Dahntay Jones DEN 633.89
254 Javaris Crittenton WAS 630.35
255 Monta Ellis GSW 622.97
256 Brandan Wright GSW 622.32
257 Julian Wright NOH 594.28
258 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 586.88
259 Reggie Evans PHI 582.03
260 Tony Allen BOS 578.04
261 Tim Thomas NYK 567.49
262 Dan Gadzuric MIL 561.26
263 Bruce Bowen SAS 556.28
264 Quinton Ross MEM 555.66
265 Marco Belinelli GSW 553.87
266 Hilton Armstrong NOH 551.57
267 Roko Ukic TOR 544.51
268 Larry Hughes CHI 543.41
269 Travis Diener IND 542.99
270 Joe Smith OKC 539.30
271 J.J. Redick ORL 531.96
272 Chris Wilcox OKC 525.52
273 Jared Dudley PHO 524.59
274 Devin Brown NOH 519.29
275 Mardy Collins LAC 514.48
276 Desmond Mason OKC 512.69
277 Jamaal Magloire MIA 506.50
278 Matt Harpring UTA 504.73
279 Francisco Elson MIL 501.66
280 Brian Cardinal MIN 500.92
281 Brian Skinner LAC 495.20
282 DeAndre Jordan LAC 489.37
283 Kosta Koufos UTA 482.12
284 Arron Afflalo DET 476.09
285 Goran Dragic PHO 473.90
286 Kyle Lowry HOU 468.78
287 Andres Nocioni SAC 468.21
288 Mike Taylor LAC 466.20
289 Antonio Daniels NOH 465.02
290 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 464.42
291 Chuck Hayes HOU 464.20
292 Kevin Ollie MIN 463.75
293 Juan Dixon WAS 448.31
294 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 440.22
295 Trenton Hassell NJN 435.03
296 Greg Buckner MEM 431.99
297 Boris Diaw PHO 430.58
298 Aaron Gray CHI 426.98
299 Brent Barry HOU 426.84
300 Mikki Moore SAC 426.73
301 Jamario Moon MIA 415.30
302 Larry Hughes NYK 414.50
303 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 413.92
304 Ronnie Price UTA 408.54
305 Sean Marks NOH 392.91
306 Rashad McCants SAC 391.46
307 Zach Randolph NYK 387.98
308 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 383.10
309 Keith Bogans ORL 378.74
310 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 376.05
311 Acie Law ATL 372.83
312 Will Solomon TOR 371.90
313 Marko Jaric MEM 364.41
314 Robin Lopez PHO 354.88
315 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 351.47
316 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 350.95
317 Raja Bell PHO 346.81
318 Joe Alexander MIL 344.34
319 Walter Herrmann DET 343.36
320 J.J. Hickson CLE 342.05
321 Stephen Graham IND 340.92
322 Jason Richardson CHA 339.98
323 Channing Frye POR 339.38
324 Fabricio Oberto SAS 339.05
325 Rashad McCants MIN 325.34
326 Donte Greene SAC 325.13
327 Solomon Jones ATL 322.53
328 James Jones MIA 319.95
329 Josh Powell LAL 313.05
330 Damien Wilkins OKC 312.33
331 Ricky Davis LAC 307.75
332 Mike Dunleavy IND 307.37
333 Morris Peterson NOH 307.06
334 Danilo Gallinari NYK 293.57
335 Theo Ratliff PHI 290.41
336 Joe Smith CLE 289.95
337 DeSagana Diop CHA 289.59
338 Malik Allen MIL 281.78
339 Jamal Crawford NYK 278.91
340 Royal Ivey PHI 277.30
341 Rob Kurz GSW 270.55
342 Keith Bogans MIL 268.68
343 Devean George DAL 266.68
344 Bobby Brown SAC 265.20
345 Drew Gooden SAS 256.20
346 Jared Dudley CHA 240.37
347 Jerryd Bayless POR 237.92
348 Chris Wilcox NYK 235.63
349 Tyronn Lue MIL 227.43
350 Johan Petro OKC 226.45
351 DeSagana Diop DAL 225.78
352 Adam Morrison CHA 223.09
353 Malik Rose OKC 218.18
354 Matt Carroll CHA 217.60
355 Paul Davis LAC 217.47
356 Juwan Howard CHA 215.90
357 Gabe Pruitt BOS 215.60
358 Corey Brewer MIN 212.58
359 Shelden Williams SAC 210.61
360 Mikki Moore BOS 205.14
361 Robert Swift OKC 204.45
362 Gerald Green DAL 197.22
363 Cuttino Mobley LAC 195.56
364 Brian Scalabrine BOS 180.37
365 Eduardo Najera NJN 180.36
366 Etan Thomas WAS 170.66
367 Shannon Brown CHA 167.54
368 Jason Hart LAC 166.93
369 Sean Williams NJN 165.98
370 Stephon Marbury BOS 158.73
371 Nazr Mohammed CHA 148.29
372 Luther Head HOU 141.72
373 Sean May CHA 127.94
374 Darnell Jackson CLE 121.85
375 Jason Collins MIN 120.44
376 Melvin Ely NOH 116.64
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TOTAL REAL PLAYER PRODUCTION OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO TOTAL NET BASKETBALL PRODUCTION
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked offensive actions, all tracked defensive actions, and an estimate of the value of hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
1 LeBron James CLE 4063.44
2 Dwyane Wade MIA 3947.25
3 Chris Paul NOH 3833.48
4 Kobe Bryant LAL 3180.83
5 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 3106.65
6 Dwight Howard ORL 3056.22
7 Pau Gasol LAL 3000.49
8 Andre Iguodala PHI 2862.63
9 Chris Bosh TOR 2849.87
10 Brandon Roy POR 2848.57
11 Antawn Jamison WAS 2734.88
12 Tim Duncan SAS 2713.51
13 Yao Ming HOU 2696.89
14 Jason Kidd DAL 2688.81
15 Andre Miller PHI 2673.03
16 Joe Johnson ATL 2657.55
17 David Lee NYK 2560.37
18 Kevin Durant OKC 2527.09
19 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 2524.24
20 Rajon Rondo BOS 2477.43
21 David West NOH 2472.73
22 Vince Carter NJN 2455.47
23 Tony Parker SAS 2418.05
24 Paul Pierce BOS 2412.73
25 Deron Williams UTA 2397.17
26 Steve Nash PHO 2374.93
27 Chauncey Billups DEN 2364.79
28 Derrick Rose CHI 2321.20
29 Raymond Felton CHA 2298.88
30 Gerald Wallace CHA 2260.90
31 Emeka Okafor CHA 2240.16
32 Troy Murphy IND 2238.69
33 Danny Granger IND 2236.28
34 Mo Williams CLE 2236.08
35 Ben Gordon CHI 2210.55
36 Nene Hilario DEN 2209.26
37 Ray Allen BOS 2190.08
38 Rashard Lewis ORL 2177.03
39 Devin Harris NJN 2174.11
40 Lamar Odom LAL 2138.75
41 Tayshaun Prince DET 2135.07
42 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 2124.84
43 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 2115.89
44 Jose Calderon TOR 2107.47
45 Paul Millsap UTA 2102.41
46 Caron Butler WAS 2089.41
47 Mike Bibby ATL 2078.95
48 Jason Terry DAL 2060.73
49 Richard Jefferson MIL 2060.56
50 Carmelo Anthony DEN 2051.97
51 Russell Westbrook OKC 2008.54
52 Mario Chalmers MIA 1999.71
53 Brook Lopez NJN 1996.15
54 Josh Smith ATL 1987.23
55 Ron Artest HOU 1976.48
56 Luis Scola HOU 1972.33
57 Nate Robinson NYK 1971.65
58 Kevin Garnett BOS 1960.50
59 Al Jefferson MIN 1954.62
60 Al Horford ATL 1954.05
61 Marcus Camby LAC 1949.23
62 Stephen Jackson GSW 1909.24
63 O.J. Mayo MEM 1904.68
64 Amare Stoudemire PHO 1898.31
65 Jeff Green OKC 1898.18
66 Thaddeus Young PHI 1892.47
67 Chris Duhon NYK 1888.03
68 T.J. Ford IND 1883.37
69 Rudy Gay MEM 1883.07
70 Grant Hill PHO 1872.71
71 Mehmet Okur UTA 1868.03
72 Udonis Haslem MIA 1854.46
73 Andris Biedrins GSW 1852.34
74 Al Harrington NYK 1850.46
75 J.R. Smith DEN 1849.35
76 Ramon Sessions MIL 1817.54
77 Ronnie Brewer UTA 1813.83
78 Wilson Chandler NYK 1800.39
79 Rodney Stuckey DET 1794.47
80 Marc Gasol MEM 1789.81
81 Jarrett Jack IND 1788.47
82 Mike Conley MEM 1783.69
83 Michael Beasley MIA 1781.29
84 Baron Davis LAC 1775.19
85 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 1761.68
86 Eric Gordon LAC 1743.89
87 Anthony Parker TOR 1742.94
88 Charlie Villanueva MIL 1727.71
89 Mike Miller MIN 1700.26
90 Richard Hamilton DET 1690.10
91 Kevin Love MIN 1685.33
92 Boris Diaw CHA 1664.50
93 Joel Przybilla POR 1662.20
94 Tyrus Thomas CHI 1653.68
95 Jason Thompson SAC 1647.28
96 Rasheed Wallace DET 1629.16
97 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 1619.95
98 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 1611.92
99 Randy Foye MIN 1611.07
100 Delonte West CLE 1610.22
101 Andrea Bargnani TOR 1606.97
102 Anderson Varejao CLE 1600.66
103 Joakim Noah CHI 1597.32
104 Kenyon Martin DEN 1591.51
105 Derek Fisher LAL 1578.41
106 Steve Blake POR 1578.37
107 Ryan Gomes MIN 1569.45
108 Al Thornton LAC 1565.66
109 Samuel Dalembert PHI 1557.50
110 Spencer Hawes SAC 1543.22
111 Luke Ridnour MIL 1541.90
112 Trevor Ariza LAL 1530.36
113 Kendrick Perkins BOS 1499.89
114 Allen Iverson DET 1498.03
115 Antonio McDyess DET 1490.48
116 Hakim Warrick MEM 1483.69
117 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 1480.93
118 Marvin Williams ATL 1480.23
119 Leandro Barbosa PHO 1478.80
120 Beno Udrih SAC 1478.17
121 Roger Mason SAS 1449.86
122 Ronald Murray ATL 1441.58
123 John Salmons SAC 1434.11
124 Travis Outlaw POR 1428.27
125 Matt Bonner SAS 1424.63
126 Ronny Turiaf GSW 1407.89
127 Jeff Foster IND 1406.91
128 Erick Dampier DAL 1397.47
129 Jamal Crawford GSW 1394.56
130 Rudy Fernandez POR 1384.55
131 Andray Blatche WAS 1380.43
132 Rasual Butler NOH 1376.15
133 Kevin Martin SAC 1375.95
134 C.J. Watson GSW 1369.94
135 Matt Barnes PHO 1366.43
136 Jason Richardson PHO 1364.82
137 Andrew Bynum LAL 1359.83
138 Keyon Dooling NJN 1344.87
139 Josh Howard DAL 1337.44
140 Shawn Marion MIA 1327.13
141 Nick Collison OKC 1311.85
142 Francisco Garcia SAC 1300.68
143 Louis Williams PHI 1296.67
144 Kyle Korver UTA 1290.38
145 Zach Randolph LAC 1288.90
146 D.J. Augustin CHA 1269.53
147 Dominic McGuire WAS 1267.01
148 Michael Finley SAS 1262.33
149 Sebastian Telfair MIN 1253.96
150 Luol Deng CHI 1242.19
151 Aaron Brooks HOU 1240.19
152 Jameer Nelson ORL 1230.18
153 Chris Andersen DEN 1219.82
154 James Posey NOH 1212.18
155 Quentin Richardson NYK 1206.80
156 Marquis Daniels IND 1206.30
157 Jarvis Hayes NJN 1200.45
158 Shane Battier HOU 1200.42
159 Anthony Carter DEN 1194.00
160 Jose Barea DAL 1174.15
161 Jamario Moon TOR 1170.13
162 Peja Stojakovic NOH 1167.60
163 Nick Young WAS 1158.74
164 Brandon Bass DAL 1153.19
165 Corey Maggette GSW 1145.11
166 Zaza Pachulia ATL 1116.36
167 Linas Kleiza DEN 1111.76
168 Kurt Thomas SAS 1109.61
169 Daequan Cook MIA 1104.89
170 Craig Smith MIN 1100.21
171 Darius Songaila WAS 1097.11
172 Brad Miller SAC 1083.65
173 Andrew Bogut MIL 1082.38
174 Carl Landry HOU 1062.60
175 Kirk Hinrich CHI 1060.53
176 Willie Green PHI 1060.08
177 Manu Ginobili SAS 1048.62
178 Earl Watson OKC 1047.01
179 Eddie House BOS 1045.78
180 Anthony Morrow GSW 1041.56
181 Bobby Jackson SAC 1038.35
182 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 1029.39
183 Rafer Alston HOU 1019.86
184 Ben Wallace CLE 997.72
185 Bobby Simmons NJN 997.25
186 Courtney Lee ORL 980.56
187 Anthony Randolph GSW 973.93
188 Tyson Chandler NOH 971.32
189 Carlos Boozer UTA 965.15
190 Leon Powe BOS 964.91
191 Brandon Rush IND 957.10
192 Tracy McGrady HOU 956.86
193 Maurice Evans ATL 952.06
194 Michael Redd MIL 950.30
195 Greg Oden POR 945.51
196 Raja Bell CHA 941.69
197 Joey Graham TOR 938.85
198 Rasho Nesterovic IND 926.30
199 Anthony Johnson ORL 909.54
200 Charlie Bell MIL 907.90
201 Ryan Anderson NJN 889.23
202 Marreese Speights PHI 887.15
203 Mike James WAS 880.38
204 Darrell Arthur MEM 877.43
205 Jason Kapono TOR 865.67
206 Daniel Gibson CLE 858.15
207 Yi Jianlian NJN 856.93
208 Glen Davis BOS 854.26
209 Nicolas Batum POR 842.74
210 C.J. Miles UTA 841.20
211 Jason Maxiell DET 840.90
212 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 827.14
213 Sasha Vujacic LAL 818.31
214 Luke Walton LAL 817.64
215 Nenad Krstic OKC 817.10
216 Sergio Rodriguez POR 806.78
217 Tony Battie ORL 805.29
218 Fred Jones LAC 797.21
219 JaVale McGee WAS 790.97
220 Andres Nocioni CHI 780.19
221 George Hill SAS 779.38
222 Elton Brand PHI 771.62
223 Darko Milicic MEM 763.46
224 Von Wafer HOU 761.93
225 Roy Hibbert IND 754.06
226 Jared Jeffries NYK 749.43
227 Mickael Pietrus ORL 743.20
228 Josh Boone NJN 738.27
229 James Singleton DAL 732.21
230 Brevin Knight UTA 730.48
231 Drew Gooden CHI 714.44
232 Shawn Marion TOR 708.97
233 Rodney Carney MIN 702.37
234 Louis Amundson PHO 697.01
235 Chris Kaman LAC 696.15
236 Steve Novak LAC 690.54
237 Brad Miller CHI 683.37
238 Amir Johnson DET 676.04
239 Kwame Brown DET 674.38
240 Kyle Weaver OKC 674.05
241 Kyle Lowry MEM 672.07
242 Jordan Farmar LAL 663.39
243 Ime Udoka SAS 661.04
244 Will Bynum DET 657.41
245 Chris Quinn MIA 656.02
246 John Salmons CHI 654.87
247 Antoine Wright DAL 654.15
248 Marcin Gortat ORL 652.27
249 Joel Anthony MIA 647.61
250 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 645.74
251 Rafer Alston ORL 642.75
252 Renaldo Balkman DEN 635.86
253 Dahntay Jones DEN 633.89
254 Javaris Crittenton WAS 630.35
255 Monta Ellis GSW 622.97
256 Brandan Wright GSW 622.32
257 Julian Wright NOH 594.28
258 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 586.88
259 Reggie Evans PHI 582.03
260 Tony Allen BOS 578.04
261 Tim Thomas NYK 567.49
262 Dan Gadzuric MIL 561.26
263 Bruce Bowen SAS 556.28
264 Quinton Ross MEM 555.66
265 Marco Belinelli GSW 553.87
266 Hilton Armstrong NOH 551.57
267 Roko Ukic TOR 544.51
268 Larry Hughes CHI 543.41
269 Travis Diener IND 542.99
270 Joe Smith OKC 539.30
271 J.J. Redick ORL 531.96
272 Chris Wilcox OKC 525.52
273 Jared Dudley PHO 524.59
274 Devin Brown NOH 519.29
275 Mardy Collins LAC 514.48
276 Desmond Mason OKC 512.69
277 Jamaal Magloire MIA 506.50
278 Matt Harpring UTA 504.73
279 Francisco Elson MIL 501.66
280 Brian Cardinal MIN 500.92
281 Brian Skinner LAC 495.20
282 DeAndre Jordan LAC 489.37
283 Kosta Koufos UTA 482.12
284 Arron Afflalo DET 476.09
285 Goran Dragic PHO 473.90
286 Kyle Lowry HOU 468.78
287 Andres Nocioni SAC 468.21
288 Mike Taylor LAC 466.20
289 Antonio Daniels NOH 465.02
290 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 464.42
291 Chuck Hayes HOU 464.20
292 Kevin Ollie MIN 463.75
293 Juan Dixon WAS 448.31
294 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 440.22
295 Trenton Hassell NJN 435.03
296 Greg Buckner MEM 431.99
297 Boris Diaw PHO 430.58
298 Aaron Gray CHI 426.98
299 Brent Barry HOU 426.84
300 Mikki Moore SAC 426.73
301 Jamario Moon MIA 415.30
302 Larry Hughes NYK 414.50
303 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 413.92
304 Ronnie Price UTA 408.54
305 Sean Marks NOH 392.91
306 Rashad McCants SAC 391.46
307 Zach Randolph NYK 387.98
308 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 383.10
309 Keith Bogans ORL 378.74
310 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 376.05
311 Acie Law ATL 372.83
312 Will Solomon TOR 371.90
313 Marko Jaric MEM 364.41
314 Robin Lopez PHO 354.88
315 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 351.47
316 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 350.95
317 Raja Bell PHO 346.81
318 Joe Alexander MIL 344.34
319 Walter Herrmann DET 343.36
320 J.J. Hickson CLE 342.05
321 Stephen Graham IND 340.92
322 Jason Richardson CHA 339.98
323 Channing Frye POR 339.38
324 Fabricio Oberto SAS 339.05
325 Rashad McCants MIN 325.34
326 Donte Greene SAC 325.13
327 Solomon Jones ATL 322.53
328 James Jones MIA 319.95
329 Josh Powell LAL 313.05
330 Damien Wilkins OKC 312.33
331 Ricky Davis LAC 307.75
332 Mike Dunleavy IND 307.37
333 Morris Peterson NOH 307.06
334 Danilo Gallinari NYK 293.57
335 Theo Ratliff PHI 290.41
336 Joe Smith CLE 289.95
337 DeSagana Diop CHA 289.59
338 Malik Allen MIL 281.78
339 Jamal Crawford NYK 278.91
340 Royal Ivey PHI 277.30
341 Rob Kurz GSW 270.55
342 Keith Bogans MIL 268.68
343 Devean George DAL 266.68
344 Bobby Brown SAC 265.20
345 Drew Gooden SAS 256.20
346 Jared Dudley CHA 240.37
347 Jerryd Bayless POR 237.92
348 Chris Wilcox NYK 235.63
349 Tyronn Lue MIL 227.43
350 Johan Petro OKC 226.45
351 DeSagana Diop DAL 225.78
352 Adam Morrison CHA 223.09
353 Malik Rose OKC 218.18
354 Matt Carroll CHA 217.60
355 Paul Davis LAC 217.47
356 Juwan Howard CHA 215.90
357 Gabe Pruitt BOS 215.60
358 Corey Brewer MIN 212.58
359 Shelden Williams SAC 210.61
360 Mikki Moore BOS 205.14
361 Robert Swift OKC 204.45
362 Gerald Green DAL 197.22
363 Cuttino Mobley LAC 195.56
364 Brian Scalabrine BOS 180.37
365 Eduardo Najera NJN 180.36
366 Etan Thomas WAS 170.66
367 Shannon Brown CHA 167.54
368 Jason Hart LAC 166.93
369 Sean Williams NJN 165.98
370 Stephon Marbury BOS 158.73
371 Nazr Mohammed CHA 148.29
372 Luther Head HOU 141.72
373 Sean May CHA 127.94
374 Darnell Jackson CLE 121.85
375 Jason Collins MIN 120.44
376 Melvin Ely NOH 116.64
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Friday, July 3, 2009
NBA Players Rated and Ranked According to Real Offensive Quality, 2008-09 Season
NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
OFFENSIVE SUB RATING OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO QUALITY OF OFFENSE
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked offensive actions
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
1 Chris Paul NOH 0.917
2 LeBron James CLE 0.877
3 Dwyane Wade MIA 0.868
4 Deron Williams UTA 0.792
5 Tony Parker SAS 0.782
6 Kobe Bryant LAL 0.772
7 Steve Nash PHO 0.753
8 Brandon Roy POR 0.710
9 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.694
10 Jose Calderon TOR 0.691
11 Devin Harris NJN 0.660
12 Pau Gasol LAL 0.652
13 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 0.651
14 Nate Robinson NYK 0.640
15 Danny Granger IND 0.637
16 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.637
17 Tim Duncan SAS 0.635
18 Al Jefferson MIN 0.631
19 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.627
20 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.619
21 Andre Miller PHI 0.614
22 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.611
23 Jason Terry DAL 0.605
24 Vince Carter NJN 0.604
25 Chris Bosh TOR 0.604
26 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.603
27 Will Bynum DET 0.596
28 Joe Johnson ATL 0.596
29 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.587
30 T.J. Ford IND 0.586
31 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.586
32 Zach Randolph LAC 0.586
33 Derrick Rose CHI 0.583
34 Richard Hamilton DET 0.579
35 Kevin Durant OKC 0.573
36 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.571
37 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.570
38 Yao Ming HOU 0.568
39 Kevin Garnett BOS 0.565
40 Brad Miller CHI 0.559
41 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.557
42 Michael Redd MIL 0.556
43 Mo Williams CLE 0.552
44 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.546
45 Caron Butler WAS 0.543
46 Ben Gordon CHI 0.540
47 Jason Kidd DAL 0.540
48 Zach Randolph NYK 0.540
49 Kevin Martin SAC 0.539
50 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.539
51 David Lee NYK 0.537
52 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.537
53 Baron Davis LAC 0.530
54 Ray Allen BOS 0.528
55 J.R. Smith DEN 0.527
56 Drew Gooden SAS 0.527
57 Mike Bibby ATL 0.526
58 Paul Millsap UTA 0.525
59 Dwight Howard ORL 0.524
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.523
61 David West NOH 0.519
62 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.519
63 Brandan Wright GSW 0.518
64 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.517
65 Will Solomon TOR 0.515
66 Rashad McCants SAC 0.515
67 Marreese Speights PHI 0.510
68 Paul Pierce BOS 0.510
69 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.510
70 Jason Richardson PHO 0.506
71 Roy Hibbert IND 0.505
72 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.504
73 John Salmons SAC 0.503
74 Jose Barea DAL 0.500
75 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.499
76 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.498
77 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.498
78 Jason Richardson CHA 0.498
79 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.497
80 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.496
81 Craig Smith MIN 0.496
82 Corey Maggette GSW 0.494
83 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.493
84 Rafer Alston ORL 0.492
85 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.490
86 Michael Beasley MIA 0.488
87 Louis Williams PHI 0.487
88 Steve Blake POR 0.485
89 Josh Howard DAL 0.483
90 Monta Ellis GSW 0.482
91 Kevin Love MIN 0.482
92 Travis Diener IND 0.482
93 Troy Murphy IND 0.481
94 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.479
95 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.479
96 Nene Hilario DEN 0.478
97 Carl Landry HOU 0.477
98 Al Harrington NYK 0.476
99 Allen Iverson DET 0.471
100 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.471
101 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.471
102 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.470
103 Boris Diaw CHA 0.470
104 Brad Miller SAC 0.470
105 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.469
106 Luis Scola HOU 0.467
107 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.467
108 Raymond Felton CHA 0.466
109 Randy Foye MIN 0.464
110 Chris Quinn MIA 0.462
111 Chris Duhon NYK 0.459
112 John Salmons CHI 0.458
113 Leon Powe BOS 0.457
114 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.456
115 Shawn Marion TOR 0.455
116 C.J. Watson GSW 0.453
117 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.453
118 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.453
119 Eddie House BOS 0.451
120 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.449
121 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.448
122 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.446
123 Brook Lopez NJN 0.446
124 Eric Gordon LAC 0.445
125 Ron Artest HOU 0.445
126 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.443
127 Beno Udrih SAC 0.442
128 Mike Conley MEM 0.441
129 Lamar Odom LAL 0.441
130 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.439
131 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.439
132 Jarrett Jack IND 0.436
133 Drew Gooden CHI 0.436
134 Rafer Alston HOU 0.435
135 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.435
136 Von Wafer HOU 0.433
137 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.432
138 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.432
139 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.432
140 Grant Hill PHO 0.430
141 Brandon Bass DAL 0.430
142 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.428
143 Greg Oden POR 0.427
144 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.427
145 Antonio McDyess DET 0.426
146 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.426
147 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.426
148 Ronald Murray ATL 0.425
149 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.425
150 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.424
151 Mike Miller MIN 0.424
152 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.422
153 Al Horford ATL 0.422
154 Luke Walton LAL 0.421
155 Darius Songaila WAS 0.420
156 Matt Bonner SAS 0.420
157 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.420
158 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.418
159 Roko Ukic TOR 0.418
160 Joakim Noah CHI 0.416
161 C.J. Miles UTA 0.416
162 Delonte West CLE 0.415
163 Andray Blatche WAS 0.415
164 Steve Novak LAC 0.414
165 Derek Fisher LAL 0.414
166 Joe Smith CLE 0.413
167 Marcus Camby LAC 0.412
168 Nick Young WAS 0.411
169 James Singleton DAL 0.410
170 Marc Gasol MEM 0.409
171 JaVale McGee WAS 0.409
172 Tim Thomas NYK 0.408
173 Josh Smith ATL 0.408
174 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.408
175 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.407
176 Larry Hughes CHI 0.407
177 Marvin Williams ATL 0.406
178 Nick Collison OKC 0.406
179 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.406
180 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.406
181 Luol Deng CHI 0.405
182 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.404
183 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.403
184 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.403
185 Earl Watson OKC 0.403
186 Jared Dudley PHO 0.402
187 Marquis Daniels IND 0.402
188 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.401
189 Rudy Gay MEM 0.401
190 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.401
191 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.400
192 Jason Thompson SAC 0.399
193 Matt Barnes PHO 0.399
194 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.398
195 Travis Outlaw POR 0.394
196 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.394
197 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.394
198 Jeff Green OKC 0.393
199 Matt Harpring UTA 0.392
200 Boris Diaw PHO 0.392
201 Jason Maxiell DET 0.392
202 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.391
203 Willie Green PHI 0.391
204 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.390
205 Juwan Howard CHA 0.386
206 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.386
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.385
208 Joe Smith OKC 0.385
209 Shawn Marion MIA 0.385
210 Acie Law ATL 0.384
211 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.383
212 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.381
213 Erick Dampier DAL 0.381
214 Al Thornton LAC 0.379
215 Jeff Foster IND 0.379
216 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.379
217 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.377
218 Kyle Korver UTA 0.375
219 Anthony Parker TOR 0.374
220 Roger Mason SAS 0.373
221 Larry Hughes NYK 0.370
222 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.370
223 Raja Bell CHA 0.370
224 Goran Dragic PHO 0.367
225 Joey Graham TOR 0.366
226 Chris Kaman LAC 0.366
227 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.365
228 Gerald Green DAL 0.365
229 Rob Kurz GSW 0.365
230 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.364
231 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.364
232 Aaron Gray CHI 0.360
233 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.359
234 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.359
235 Chris Andersen DEN 0.358
236 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.357
237 George Hill SAS 0.356
238 Mike James WAS 0.355
239 Elton Brand PHI 0.354
240 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.354
241 Mike Taylor LAC 0.354
242 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.353
243 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.353
244 Corey Brewer MIN 0.353
245 Bobby Brown SAC 0.353
246 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.352
247 Fred Jones LAC 0.349
248 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.349
249 Shannon Brown CHA 0.349
250 Keith Bogans MIL 0.347
251 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.346
252 Mardy Collins LAC 0.346
253 Luther Head HOU 0.346
254 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.346
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.345
256 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.345
257 Charlie Bell MIL 0.345
258 Brevin Knight UTA 0.343
259 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.340
260 Mikki Moore BOS 0.340
261 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.340
262 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.338
263 Nicolas Batum POR 0.338
264 Paul Davis LAC 0.337
265 Amir Johnson DET 0.337
266 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.336
267 Jamario Moon TOR 0.335
268 Jason Kapono TOR 0.334
269 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.333
270 Louis Amundson PHO 0.330
271 Walter Herrmann DET 0.329
272 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.329
273 Juan Dixon WAS 0.328
274 Glen Davis BOS 0.328
275 Michael Finley SAS 0.327
276 Darko Milicic MEM 0.326
277 Josh Powell LAL 0.324
278 Maurice Evans ATL 0.324
279 Tony Allen BOS 0.322
280 Josh Boone NJN 0.319
281 Tony Battie ORL 0.319
282 Solomon Jones ATL 0.318
283 Rodney Carney MIN 0.318
284 Joe Alexander MIL 0.318
285 Rasual Butler NOH 0.317
286 Daequan Cook MIA 0.314
287 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.313
288 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.310
289 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.309
290 Channing Frye POR 0.308
291 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.307
292 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.306
293 Courtney Lee ORL 0.306
294 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.305
295 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.305
296 Jared Dudley CHA 0.304
297 Stephen Graham IND 0.303
298 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.303
299 Morris Peterson NOH 0.303
300 Ronnie Price UTA 0.302
301 Robert Swift OKC 0.300
302 Robin Lopez PHO 0.300
303 Malik Allen MIL 0.299
304 Julian Wright NOH 0.299
305 J.J. Redick ORL 0.298
306 Malik Rose OKC 0.294
307 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.294
308 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.293
309 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.293
310 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.293
311 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.292
312 Joel Przybilla POR 0.291
313 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.291
314 Raja Bell PHO 0.286
315 Rashad McCants MIN 0.286
316 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.284
317 Ricky Davis LAC 0.283
318 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.279
319 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.277
320 Jamario Moon MIA 0.277
321 Shane Battier HOU 0.276
322 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.275
323 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.273
324 Devin Brown NOH 0.273
325 Brent Barry HOU 0.272
326 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.271
327 Antoine Wright DAL 0.271
328 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.270
329 James Posey NOH 0.268
330 Shelden Williams SAC 0.267
331 Brandon Rush IND 0.266
332 Arron Afflalo DET 0.266
333 Francisco Elson MIL 0.266
334 Mikki Moore SAC 0.263
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.258
336 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.256
337 Jason Hart LAC 0.254
338 Kwame Brown DET 0.253
339 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.252
340 Brian Skinner LAC 0.251
341 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.251
342 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.250
343 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.247
344 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.246
345 Johan Petro OKC 0.243
346 Ime Udoka SAS 0.240
347 James Jones MIA 0.238
348 Adam Morrison CHA 0.238
349 Etan Thomas WAS 0.233
350 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.229
351 Sean Marks NOH 0.226
352 Marko Jaric MEM 0.226
353 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.225
354 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.224
355 Melvin Ely NOH 0.224
356 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.221
357 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.218
358 Reggie Evans PHI 0.217
359 Royal Ivey PHI 0.217
360 Keith Bogans ORL 0.216
361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.215
362 Sean Williams NJN 0.215
363 Ben Wallace CLE 0.214
364 Desmond Mason OKC 0.207
365 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.205
366 Matt Carroll CHA 0.204
367 Quinton Ross MEM 0.203
368 Greg Buckner MEM 0.193
369 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.188
370 Joel Anthony MIA 0.183
371 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.180
372 Devean George DAL 0.178
373 Sean May CHA 0.177
374 Donte Greene SAC 0.166
375 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.138
376 Jason Collins MIN 0.112
The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is here. You must consult the User Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to undertand how to make the best use of them.
A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES (A tiny sample of User Guide content)
1. The average defensive sub rating of the 376 NBA plyaers who played at least 300 minutes in 2008-09 is .406.
2. The very best guards in basketball are ones who, although they are not afraid to drive to the hoop from time to time, are able to make outside shots at a good rate. Also, guards in general, and especially point guards, are usually primarily responsible for making assists. These two are among the several reasons why the better guards in pro basketball will have the highest offensive sub ratings in the League. For more, see the User Guide, especially the section near the end of it titled "THE BEST GUARDS WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS".
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OFFENSIVE SUB RATING OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO QUALITY OF OFFENSE
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked offensive actions
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
1 Chris Paul NOH 0.917
2 LeBron James CLE 0.877
3 Dwyane Wade MIA 0.868
4 Deron Williams UTA 0.792
5 Tony Parker SAS 0.782
6 Kobe Bryant LAL 0.772
7 Steve Nash PHO 0.753
8 Brandon Roy POR 0.710
9 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.694
10 Jose Calderon TOR 0.691
11 Devin Harris NJN 0.660
12 Pau Gasol LAL 0.652
13 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 0.651
14 Nate Robinson NYK 0.640
15 Danny Granger IND 0.637
16 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.637
17 Tim Duncan SAS 0.635
18 Al Jefferson MIN 0.631
19 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.627
20 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.619
21 Andre Miller PHI 0.614
22 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.611
23 Jason Terry DAL 0.605
24 Vince Carter NJN 0.604
25 Chris Bosh TOR 0.604
26 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.603
27 Will Bynum DET 0.596
28 Joe Johnson ATL 0.596
29 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.587
30 T.J. Ford IND 0.586
31 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.586
32 Zach Randolph LAC 0.586
33 Derrick Rose CHI 0.583
34 Richard Hamilton DET 0.579
35 Kevin Durant OKC 0.573
36 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.571
37 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.570
38 Yao Ming HOU 0.568
39 Kevin Garnett BOS 0.565
40 Brad Miller CHI 0.559
41 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.557
42 Michael Redd MIL 0.556
43 Mo Williams CLE 0.552
44 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.546
45 Caron Butler WAS 0.543
46 Ben Gordon CHI 0.540
47 Jason Kidd DAL 0.540
48 Zach Randolph NYK 0.540
49 Kevin Martin SAC 0.539
50 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.539
51 David Lee NYK 0.537
52 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.537
53 Baron Davis LAC 0.530
54 Ray Allen BOS 0.528
55 J.R. Smith DEN 0.527
56 Drew Gooden SAS 0.527
57 Mike Bibby ATL 0.526
58 Paul Millsap UTA 0.525
59 Dwight Howard ORL 0.524
60 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.523
61 David West NOH 0.519
62 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.519
63 Brandan Wright GSW 0.518
64 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.517
65 Will Solomon TOR 0.515
66 Rashad McCants SAC 0.515
67 Marreese Speights PHI 0.510
68 Paul Pierce BOS 0.510
69 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.510
70 Jason Richardson PHO 0.506
71 Roy Hibbert IND 0.505
72 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.504
73 John Salmons SAC 0.503
74 Jose Barea DAL 0.500
75 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.499
76 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.498
77 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.498
78 Jason Richardson CHA 0.498
79 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.497
80 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.496
81 Craig Smith MIN 0.496
82 Corey Maggette GSW 0.494
83 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.493
84 Rafer Alston ORL 0.492
85 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.490
86 Michael Beasley MIA 0.488
87 Louis Williams PHI 0.487
88 Steve Blake POR 0.485
89 Josh Howard DAL 0.483
90 Monta Ellis GSW 0.482
91 Kevin Love MIN 0.482
92 Travis Diener IND 0.482
93 Troy Murphy IND 0.481
94 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.479
95 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.479
96 Nene Hilario DEN 0.478
97 Carl Landry HOU 0.477
98 Al Harrington NYK 0.476
99 Allen Iverson DET 0.471
100 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.471
101 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.471
102 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.470
103 Boris Diaw CHA 0.470
104 Brad Miller SAC 0.470
105 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.469
106 Luis Scola HOU 0.467
107 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.467
108 Raymond Felton CHA 0.466
109 Randy Foye MIN 0.464
110 Chris Quinn MIA 0.462
111 Chris Duhon NYK 0.459
112 John Salmons CHI 0.458
113 Leon Powe BOS 0.457
114 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.456
115 Shawn Marion TOR 0.455
116 C.J. Watson GSW 0.453
117 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.453
118 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.453
119 Eddie House BOS 0.451
120 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.449
121 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.448
122 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.446
123 Brook Lopez NJN 0.446
124 Eric Gordon LAC 0.445
125 Ron Artest HOU 0.445
126 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.443
127 Beno Udrih SAC 0.442
128 Mike Conley MEM 0.441
129 Lamar Odom LAL 0.441
130 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.439
131 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.439
132 Jarrett Jack IND 0.436
133 Drew Gooden CHI 0.436
134 Rafer Alston HOU 0.435
135 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.435
136 Von Wafer HOU 0.433
137 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.432
138 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.432
139 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.432
140 Grant Hill PHO 0.430
141 Brandon Bass DAL 0.430
142 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.428
143 Greg Oden POR 0.427
144 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.427
145 Antonio McDyess DET 0.426
146 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.426
147 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.426
148 Ronald Murray ATL 0.425
149 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.425
150 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.424
151 Mike Miller MIN 0.424
152 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.422
153 Al Horford ATL 0.422
154 Luke Walton LAL 0.421
155 Darius Songaila WAS 0.420
156 Matt Bonner SAS 0.420
157 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.420
158 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.418
159 Roko Ukic TOR 0.418
160 Joakim Noah CHI 0.416
161 C.J. Miles UTA 0.416
162 Delonte West CLE 0.415
163 Andray Blatche WAS 0.415
164 Steve Novak LAC 0.414
165 Derek Fisher LAL 0.414
166 Joe Smith CLE 0.413
167 Marcus Camby LAC 0.412
168 Nick Young WAS 0.411
169 James Singleton DAL 0.410
170 Marc Gasol MEM 0.409
171 JaVale McGee WAS 0.409
172 Tim Thomas NYK 0.408
173 Josh Smith ATL 0.408
174 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.408
175 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.407
176 Larry Hughes CHI 0.407
177 Marvin Williams ATL 0.406
178 Nick Collison OKC 0.406
179 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.406
180 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.406
181 Luol Deng CHI 0.405
182 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.404
183 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.403
184 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.403
185 Earl Watson OKC 0.403
186 Jared Dudley PHO 0.402
187 Marquis Daniels IND 0.402
188 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.401
189 Rudy Gay MEM 0.401
190 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.401
191 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.400
192 Jason Thompson SAC 0.399
193 Matt Barnes PHO 0.399
194 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.398
195 Travis Outlaw POR 0.394
196 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.394
197 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.394
198 Jeff Green OKC 0.393
199 Matt Harpring UTA 0.392
200 Boris Diaw PHO 0.392
201 Jason Maxiell DET 0.392
202 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.391
203 Willie Green PHI 0.391
204 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.390
205 Juwan Howard CHA 0.386
206 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.386
207 Anthony Carter DEN 0.385
208 Joe Smith OKC 0.385
209 Shawn Marion MIA 0.385
210 Acie Law ATL 0.384
211 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.383
212 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.381
213 Erick Dampier DAL 0.381
214 Al Thornton LAC 0.379
215 Jeff Foster IND 0.379
216 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.379
217 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.377
218 Kyle Korver UTA 0.375
219 Anthony Parker TOR 0.374
220 Roger Mason SAS 0.373
221 Larry Hughes NYK 0.370
222 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.370
223 Raja Bell CHA 0.370
224 Goran Dragic PHO 0.367
225 Joey Graham TOR 0.366
226 Chris Kaman LAC 0.366
227 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.365
228 Gerald Green DAL 0.365
229 Rob Kurz GSW 0.365
230 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.364
231 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.364
232 Aaron Gray CHI 0.360
233 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.359
234 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.359
235 Chris Andersen DEN 0.358
236 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.357
237 George Hill SAS 0.356
238 Mike James WAS 0.355
239 Elton Brand PHI 0.354
240 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.354
241 Mike Taylor LAC 0.354
242 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.353
243 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.353
244 Corey Brewer MIN 0.353
245 Bobby Brown SAC 0.353
246 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.352
247 Fred Jones LAC 0.349
248 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.349
249 Shannon Brown CHA 0.349
250 Keith Bogans MIL 0.347
251 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.346
252 Mardy Collins LAC 0.346
253 Luther Head HOU 0.346
254 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.346
255 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.345
256 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.345
257 Charlie Bell MIL 0.345
258 Brevin Knight UTA 0.343
259 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.340
260 Mikki Moore BOS 0.340
261 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.340
262 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.338
263 Nicolas Batum POR 0.338
264 Paul Davis LAC 0.337
265 Amir Johnson DET 0.337
266 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.336
267 Jamario Moon TOR 0.335
268 Jason Kapono TOR 0.334
269 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.333
270 Louis Amundson PHO 0.330
271 Walter Herrmann DET 0.329
272 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.329
273 Juan Dixon WAS 0.328
274 Glen Davis BOS 0.328
275 Michael Finley SAS 0.327
276 Darko Milicic MEM 0.326
277 Josh Powell LAL 0.324
278 Maurice Evans ATL 0.324
279 Tony Allen BOS 0.322
280 Josh Boone NJN 0.319
281 Tony Battie ORL 0.319
282 Solomon Jones ATL 0.318
283 Rodney Carney MIN 0.318
284 Joe Alexander MIL 0.318
285 Rasual Butler NOH 0.317
286 Daequan Cook MIA 0.314
287 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.313
288 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.310
289 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.309
290 Channing Frye POR 0.308
291 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.307
292 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.306
293 Courtney Lee ORL 0.306
294 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.305
295 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.305
296 Jared Dudley CHA 0.304
297 Stephen Graham IND 0.303
298 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.303
299 Morris Peterson NOH 0.303
300 Ronnie Price UTA 0.302
301 Robert Swift OKC 0.300
302 Robin Lopez PHO 0.300
303 Malik Allen MIL 0.299
304 Julian Wright NOH 0.299
305 J.J. Redick ORL 0.298
306 Malik Rose OKC 0.294
307 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.294
308 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.293
309 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.293
310 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.293
311 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.292
312 Joel Przybilla POR 0.291
313 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.291
314 Raja Bell PHO 0.286
315 Rashad McCants MIN 0.286
316 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.284
317 Ricky Davis LAC 0.283
318 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.279
319 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.277
320 Jamario Moon MIA 0.277
321 Shane Battier HOU 0.276
322 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.275
323 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.273
324 Devin Brown NOH 0.273
325 Brent Barry HOU 0.272
326 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.271
327 Antoine Wright DAL 0.271
328 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.270
329 James Posey NOH 0.268
330 Shelden Williams SAC 0.267
331 Brandon Rush IND 0.266
332 Arron Afflalo DET 0.266
333 Francisco Elson MIL 0.266
334 Mikki Moore SAC 0.263
335 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.258
336 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.256
337 Jason Hart LAC 0.254
338 Kwame Brown DET 0.253
339 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.252
340 Brian Skinner LAC 0.251
341 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.251
342 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.250
343 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.247
344 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.246
345 Johan Petro OKC 0.243
346 Ime Udoka SAS 0.240
347 James Jones MIA 0.238
348 Adam Morrison CHA 0.238
349 Etan Thomas WAS 0.233
350 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.229
351 Sean Marks NOH 0.226
352 Marko Jaric MEM 0.226
353 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.225
354 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.224
355 Melvin Ely NOH 0.224
356 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.221
357 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.218
358 Reggie Evans PHI 0.217
359 Royal Ivey PHI 0.217
360 Keith Bogans ORL 0.216
361 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.215
362 Sean Williams NJN 0.215
363 Ben Wallace CLE 0.214
364 Desmond Mason OKC 0.207
365 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.205
366 Matt Carroll CHA 0.204
367 Quinton Ross MEM 0.203
368 Greg Buckner MEM 0.193
369 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.188
370 Joel Anthony MIA 0.183
371 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.180
372 Devean George DAL 0.178
373 Sean May CHA 0.177
374 Donte Greene SAC 0.166
375 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.138
376 Jason Collins MIN 0.112
The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and for the Defensive Adjustments, is here. You must consult the User Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to undertand how to make the best use of them.
A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES (A tiny sample of User Guide content)
1. The average defensive sub rating of the 376 NBA plyaers who played at least 300 minutes in 2008-09 is .406.
2. The very best guards in basketball are ones who, although they are not afraid to drive to the hoop from time to time, are able to make outside shots at a good rate. Also, guards in general, and especially point guards, are usually primarily responsible for making assists. These two are among the several reasons why the better guards in pro basketball will have the highest offensive sub ratings in the League. For more, see the User Guide, especially the section near the end of it titled "THE BEST GUARDS WILL HAVE THE HIGHEST OFFENSIVE SUB RATINGS".
Unedited, Raw Game Notes are Here
You Can Post Your Response to Anything on Quest Here
Thursday, July 2, 2009
NBA Players Rated and Ranked According to Real Defensive Quality, 2008-09 Season
NATIONAL BASKETBALL ASSOCIATION: NBA
DEFENSIVE SUB RATING OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO DEFENSIVE QUALITY
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked defensive actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
1 Marcus Camby LAC 0.600
2 Joel Przybilla POR 0.560
3 Dwight Howard ORL 0.559
4 Ben Wallace CLE 0.545
5 Kevin Garnett BOS 0.541
6 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.531
7 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.527
8 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.514
9 Jamario Moon TOR 0.513
10 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.499
11 Shawn Marion MIA 0.491
12 Elton Brand PHI 0.484
13 Lamar Odom LAL 0.482
14 Chris Andersen DEN 0.478
15 Yao Ming HOU 0.474
16 Julian Wright NOH 0.471
17 Zach Randolph NYK 0.460
18 LeBron James CLE 0.454
19 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.450
20 Al Horford ATL 0.450
21 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.445
22 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.442
23 Tim Duncan SAS 0.441
24 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.441
25 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.437
26 Brevin Knight UTA 0.436
27 Joel Anthony MIA 0.435
28 Al Jefferson MIN 0.434
29 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.433
30 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.432
31 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.431
32 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.427
33 Dwyane Wade MIA 0.427
34 Shelden Williams SAC 0.423
35 Josh Boone NJN 0.423
36 Kwame Brown DET 0.422
37 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.422
38 Troy Murphy IND 0.421
39 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.421
40 Johan Petro OKC 0.419
41 James Singleton DAL 0.418
42 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.417
43 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.416
44 Josh Smith ATL 0.413
45 Darko Milicic MEM 0.412
46 Boris Diaw PHO 0.408
47 Joakim Noah CHI 0.408
48 Amir Johnson DET 0.405
49 Malik Rose OKC 0.403
50 Nene Hilario DEN 0.402
51 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.402
52 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.401
53 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.400
54 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.399
55 Ime Udoka SAS 0.399
56 Michael Beasley MIA 0.398
57 Andray Blatche WAS 0.396
58 Joe Smith OKC 0.395
59 Paul Millsap UTA 0.393
60 Jason Kidd DAL 0.392
61 Jeff Foster IND 0.390
62 Chris Kaman LAC 0.390
63 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.388
64 Brandan Wright GSW 0.386
65 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.384
66 Erick Dampier DAL 0.380
67 Marko Jaric MEM 0.377
68 Antonio McDyess DET 0.372
69 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.372
70 Chris Bosh TOR 0.370
71 David Lee NYK 0.369
72 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 0.367
73 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.365
74 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.364
75 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.362
76 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.361
77 Ron Artest HOU 0.361
78 Chris Paul NOH 0.360
79 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.360
80 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.358
81 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.357
82 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.357
83 Brad Miller CHI 0.357
84 Zach Randolph LAC 0.356
85 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.354
86 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.353
87 Brook Lopez NJN 0.353
88 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.352
89 Tony Battie ORL 0.351
90 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.349
91 Pau Gasol LAL 0.348
92 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.347
93 Drew Gooden CHI 0.342
94 Paul Davis LAC 0.342
95 Luol Deng CHI 0.341
96 Kevin Love MIN 0.341
97 Corey Brewer MIN 0.340
98 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.339
99 Louis Amundson PHO 0.338
100 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.337
101 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.336
102 Brian Skinner LAC 0.336
103 Matt Harpring UTA 0.336
104 Grant Hill PHO 0.336
105 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.335
106 Delonte West CLE 0.333
107 Brad Miller SAC 0.331
108 Tony Allen BOS 0.330
109 Leon Powe BOS 0.329
110 Rashad McCants SAC 0.327
111 Jamario Moon MIA 0.326
112 Tim Thomas NYK 0.326
113 Luis Scola HOU 0.326
114 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.325
115 Devin Brown NOH 0.325
116 Etan Thomas WAS 0.325
117 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.323
118 Josh Howard DAL 0.321
119 Matt Bonner SAS 0.319
120 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.319
121 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.319
122 Jared Dudley PHO 0.318
123 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.318
124 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.316
125 Jason Thompson SAC 0.316
126 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.315
127 Shane Battier HOU 0.315
128 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.315
129 Kyle Korver UTA 0.314
130 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.314
131 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.314
132 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.311
133 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.311
134 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.311
135 Nick Collison OKC 0.310
136 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.310
137 David West NOH 0.310
138 Mikki Moore SAC 0.309
139 Marquis Daniels IND 0.308
140 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.305
141 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.305
142 Ronald Murray ATL 0.305
143 Kevin Durant OKC 0.303
144 Brandon Bass DAL 0.303
145 Kobe Bryant LAL 0.302
146 Al Harrington NYK 0.302
147 Darius Songaila WAS 0.301
148 Marvin Williams ATL 0.301
149 Marc Gasol MEM 0.301
150 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.301
151 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.300
152 Greg Buckner MEM 0.299
153 James Posey NOH 0.298
154 Mike Miller MIN 0.298
155 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.297
156 J.R. Smith DEN 0.297
157 Robert Swift OKC 0.296
158 Morris Peterson NOH 0.294
159 Reggie Evans PHI 0.293
160 Greg Oden POR 0.293
161 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.292
162 Joe Smith CLE 0.292
163 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.292
164 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.292
165 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.290
166 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.289
167 Allen Iverson DET 0.289
168 Daequan Cook MIA 0.288
169 Shawn Marion TOR 0.288
170 Anthony Parker TOR 0.287
171 Mardy Collins LAC 0.285
172 Danny Granger IND 0.285
173 Paul Pierce BOS 0.285
174 Andre Miller PHI 0.285
175 Goran Dragic PHO 0.284
176 Anthony Carter DEN 0.283
177 JaVale McGee WAS 0.283
178 Donte Greene SAC 0.283
179 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.283
180 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.282
181 Acie Law ATL 0.282
182 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.281
183 Boris Diaw CHA 0.281
184 Luke Walton LAL 0.281
185 Jason Hart LAC 0.281
186 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.280
187 Larry Hughes CHI 0.280
188 Raymond Felton CHA 0.279
189 Robin Lopez PHO 0.278
190 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.277
191 Desmond Mason OKC 0.275
192 C.J. Watson GSW 0.275
193 Quinton Ross MEM 0.275
194 Drew Gooden SAS 0.274
195 Travis Diener IND 0.274
196 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.272
197 Brandon Roy POR 0.271
198 James Jones MIA 0.270
199 Mike Conley MEM 0.270
200 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.268
201 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.268
202 Jeff Green OKC 0.268
203 Rodney Carney MIN 0.268
204 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.267
205 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.266
206 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.266
207 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.265
208 Caron Butler WAS 0.265
209 Keith Bogans ORL 0.265
210 Brandon Rush IND 0.265
211 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.264
212 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.263
213 Baron Davis LAC 0.260
214 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.259
215 Rafer Alston ORL 0.259
216 Jared Dudley CHA 0.258
217 George Hill SAS 0.258
218 Craig Smith MIN 0.258
219 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.258
220 Matt Barnes PHO 0.258
221 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.256
222 Eddie House BOS 0.256
223 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.256
224 Joe Johnson ATL 0.255
225 Matt Carroll CHA 0.254
226 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.254
227 Nate Robinson NYK 0.252
228 Ronnie Price UTA 0.252
229 Mike Taylor LAC 0.251
230 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.250
231 Sean May CHA 0.248
232 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.248
233 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.248
234 Francisco Elson MIL 0.248
235 T.J. Ford IND 0.248
236 Carl Landry HOU 0.247
237 Rob Kurz GSW 0.247
238 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.245
239 Joey Graham TOR 0.243
240 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.243
241 Roy Hibbert IND 0.243
242 Sean Marks NOH 0.242
243 Nicolas Batum POR 0.242
244 Travis Outlaw POR 0.242
245 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.239
246 Rudy Gay MEM 0.238
247 Sean Williams NJN 0.238
248 Aaron Gray CHI 0.237
249 Mo Williams CLE 0.237
250 Steve Blake POR 0.236
251 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.235
252 Jose Barea DAL 0.234
253 Michael Redd MIL 0.234
254 Ray Allen BOS 0.233
255 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.233
256 Larry Hughes NYK 0.233
257 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.233
258 Derek Fisher LAL 0.233
259 Mike Bibby ATL 0.233
260 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.231
261 Vince Carter NJN 0.229
262 Corey Maggette GSW 0.227
263 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.227
264 Brent Barry HOU 0.226
265 Rashad McCants MIN 0.225
266 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.224
267 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.224
268 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.223
269 Will Bynum DET 0.223
270 Jarrett Jack IND 0.222
271 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.222
272 Jason Terry DAL 0.222
273 Juan Dixon WAS 0.221
274 John Salmons SAC 0.221
275 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.221
276 Nick Young WAS 0.220
277 Chris Quinn MIA 0.220
278 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.218
279 Raja Bell CHA 0.218
280 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.218
281 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.217
282 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.217
283 Monta Ellis GSW 0.216
284 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.216
285 Walter Herrmann DET 0.216
286 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.215
287 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.214
288 Michael Finley SAS 0.213
289 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.213
290 Jose Calderon TOR 0.213
291 Devin Harris NJN 0.211
292 John Salmons CHI 0.211
293 Al Thornton LAC 0.211
294 Rasual Butler NOH 0.209
295 Beno Udrih SAC 0.209
296 Roger Mason SAS 0.208
297 Keith Bogans MIL 0.207
298 Eric Gordon LAC 0.206
299 Rafer Alston HOU 0.206
300 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.206
301 Jason Maxiell DET 0.205
302 Jason Richardson PHO 0.205
303 Mike James WAS 0.204
304 Steve Nash PHO 0.204
305 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.204
306 Tony Parker SAS 0.202
307 Raja Bell PHO 0.201
308 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.201
309 Courtney Lee ORL 0.200
310 Devean George DAL 0.199
311 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.198
312 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.198
313 Ben Gordon CHI 0.197
314 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.196
315 Stephen Graham IND 0.195
316 Jason Richardson CHA 0.195
317 Glen Davis BOS 0.194
318 Maurice Evans ATL 0.194
319 Roko Ukic TOR 0.194
320 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.193
321 Marreese Speights PHI 0.193
322 Derrick Rose CHI 0.191
323 Chris Duhon NYK 0.190
324 Von Wafer HOU 0.189
325 Willie Green PHI 0.189
326 Louis Williams PHI 0.189
327 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.188
328 Malik Allen MIL 0.187
329 Earl Watson OKC 0.187
330 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.186
331 Fred Jones LAC 0.184
332 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.183
333 Randy Foye MIN 0.182
334 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.182
335 J.J. Redick ORL 0.181
336 Steve Novak LAC 0.180
337 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.180
338 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.173
339 Jason Collins MIN 0.173
340 Will Solomon TOR 0.168
341 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.168
342 Kevin Martin SAC 0.168
343 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.167
344 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.166
345 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.165
346 Deron Williams UTA 0.165
347 Charlie Bell MIL 0.165
348 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.165
349 Joe Alexander MIL 0.163
350 Richard Hamilton DET 0.163
351 Solomon Jones ATL 0.160
352 Gerald Green DAL 0.159
353 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.155
354 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.152
355 Antoine Wright DAL 0.150
356 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.149
357 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.148
358 Channing Frye POR 0.147
359 Shannon Brown CHA 0.143
360 Jason Kapono TOR 0.139
361 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.136
362 Josh Powell LAL 0.122
363 Arron Afflalo DET 0.120
364 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.114
365 Mikki Moore BOS 0.110
366 Ricky Davis LAC 0.109
367 Royal Ivey PHI 0.105
368 C.J. Miles UTA 0.103
369 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.102
370 Adam Morrison CHA 0.097
371 Luther Head HOU 0.094
372 Juwan Howard CHA 0.094
373 Melvin Ely NOH 0.089
374 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.070
375 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.058
376 Bobby Brown SAC 0.040
The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and the Defensive Adjustments, is here. You must consult the User Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to undertand how to make the best use of them.
A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES (A tiny sample of User Guide content)
1. The average defensive sub rating of the 376 NBA plyaers who played at least 300 minutes in 2008-09 is .285.
2. Centers and forwards are generally expected to have substantially higher defensive ratings than guards. Conversely, the best offensive guards are expected to have higher offensive ratings than those of most forwards and centers.
Unedited, Raw Game Notes are Here
You Can Post Your Response to Anything on Quest Here
DEFENSIVE SUB RATING OF PLAYERS:
PLAYERS RATED AND RANKED ACCORDING TO DEFENSIVE QUALITY
2008-09 Regular Season
Includes all tracked defensive actions and hidden defending
All Players Who Played 300 Minutes or More Included
1 Marcus Camby LAC 0.600
2 Joel Przybilla POR 0.560
3 Dwight Howard ORL 0.559
4 Ben Wallace CLE 0.545
5 Kevin Garnett BOS 0.541
6 Andrew Bogut MIL 0.531
7 Thabo Sefolosha OKC 0.527
8 Samuel Dalembert PHI 0.514
9 Jamario Moon TOR 0.513
10 Andris Biedrins GSW 0.499
11 Shawn Marion MIA 0.491
12 Elton Brand PHI 0.484
13 Lamar Odom LAL 0.482
14 Chris Andersen DEN 0.478
15 Yao Ming HOU 0.474
16 Julian Wright NOH 0.471
17 Zach Randolph NYK 0.460
18 LeBron James CLE 0.454
19 Andrei Kirilenko UTA 0.450
20 Al Horford ATL 0.450
21 Jermaine O'Neal TOR 0.445
22 Zydrunas Ilgauskas CLE 0.442
23 Tim Duncan SAS 0.441
24 Jamaal Magloire MIA 0.441
25 Anthony Randolph GSW 0.437
26 Brevin Knight UTA 0.436
27 Joel Anthony MIA 0.435
28 Al Jefferson MIN 0.434
29 Kurt Thomas SAS 0.433
30 Ronny Turiaf GSW 0.432
31 Kosta Koufos UTA 0.431
32 Emeka Okafor CHA 0.427
33 Dwyane Wade MIA 0.427
34 Shelden Williams SAC 0.423
35 Josh Boone NJN 0.423
36 Kwame Brown DET 0.422
37 Rasheed Wallace DET 0.422
38 Troy Murphy IND 0.421
39 Marcin Gortat ORL 0.421
40 Johan Petro OKC 0.419
41 James Singleton DAL 0.418
42 Amare Stoudemire PHO 0.417
43 Tyrus Thomas CHI 0.416
44 Josh Smith ATL 0.413
45 Darko Milicic MEM 0.412
46 Boris Diaw PHO 0.408
47 Joakim Noah CHI 0.408
48 Amir Johnson DET 0.405
49 Malik Rose OKC 0.403
50 Nene Hilario DEN 0.402
51 Andrew Bynum LAL 0.402
52 Gerald Wallace CHA 0.401
53 Kenyon Martin DEN 0.400
54 Zaza Pachulia ATL 0.399
55 Ime Udoka SAS 0.399
56 Michael Beasley MIA 0.398
57 Andray Blatche WAS 0.396
58 Joe Smith OKC 0.395
59 Paul Millsap UTA 0.393
60 Jason Kidd DAL 0.392
61 Jeff Foster IND 0.390
62 Chris Kaman LAC 0.390
63 Luc Mbah a Moute MIL 0.388
64 Brandan Wright GSW 0.386
65 Renaldo Balkman DEN 0.384
66 Erick Dampier DAL 0.380
67 Marko Jaric MEM 0.377
68 Antonio McDyess DET 0.372
69 Udonis Haslem MIA 0.372
70 Chris Bosh TOR 0.370
71 David Lee NYK 0.369
72 Dirk Nowitzki DAL 0.367
73 Jermaine O'Neal MIA 0.365
74 DeAndre Jordan LAC 0.364
75 Tyson Chandler NOH 0.362
76 Kendrick Perkins BOS 0.361
77 Ron Artest HOU 0.361
78 Chris Paul NOH 0.360
79 Trevor Ariza LAL 0.360
80 Anderson Varejao CLE 0.358
81 Shaquille O'Neal PHO 0.357
82 Andre Iguodala PHI 0.357
83 Brad Miller CHI 0.357
84 Zach Randolph LAC 0.356
85 Mario Chalmers MIA 0.354
86 Chuck Hayes HOU 0.353
87 Brook Lopez NJN 0.353
88 Chris Wilcox OKC 0.352
89 Tony Battie ORL 0.351
90 Jarvis Hayes NJN 0.349
91 Pau Gasol LAL 0.348
92 Eduardo Najera NJN 0.347
93 Drew Gooden CHI 0.342
94 Paul Davis LAC 0.342
95 Luol Deng CHI 0.341
96 Kevin Love MIN 0.341
97 Corey Brewer MIN 0.340
98 Kirk Hinrich CHI 0.339
99 Louis Amundson PHO 0.338
100 Gabe Pruitt BOS 0.337
101 Dominic McGuire WAS 0.336
102 Brian Skinner LAC 0.336
103 Matt Harpring UTA 0.336
104 Grant Hill PHO 0.336
105 Nenad Krstic OKC 0.335
106 Delonte West CLE 0.333
107 Brad Miller SAC 0.331
108 Tony Allen BOS 0.330
109 Leon Powe BOS 0.329
110 Rashad McCants SAC 0.327
111 Jamario Moon MIA 0.326
112 Tim Thomas NYK 0.326
113 Luis Scola HOU 0.326
114 Thabo Sefolosha CHI 0.325
115 Devin Brown NOH 0.325
116 Etan Thomas WAS 0.325
117 Chris Wilcox NYK 0.323
118 Josh Howard DAL 0.321
119 Matt Bonner SAS 0.319
120 DeSagana Diop DAL 0.319
121 Ryan Anderson NJN 0.319
122 Jared Dudley PHO 0.318
123 LaMarcus Aldridge POR 0.318
124 Bobby Jackson SAC 0.316
125 Jason Thompson SAC 0.316
126 Thaddeus Young PHI 0.315
127 Shane Battier HOU 0.315
128 Carmelo Anthony DEN 0.315
129 Kyle Korver UTA 0.314
130 Antawn Jamison WAS 0.314
131 Spencer Hawes SAC 0.314
132 Rajon Rondo BOS 0.311
133 Tracy McGrady HOU 0.311
134 Yi Jianlian NJN 0.311
135 Nick Collison OKC 0.310
136 Danilo Gallinari NYK 0.310
137 David West NOH 0.310
138 Mikki Moore SAC 0.309
139 Marquis Daniels IND 0.308
140 Darrell Arthur MEM 0.305
141 Hakim Warrick MEM 0.305
142 Ronald Murray ATL 0.305
143 Kevin Durant OKC 0.303
144 Brandon Bass DAL 0.303
145 Kobe Bryant LAL 0.302
146 Al Harrington NYK 0.302
147 Darius Songaila WAS 0.301
148 Marvin Williams ATL 0.301
149 Marc Gasol MEM 0.301
150 Brian Cardinal MIN 0.301
151 Kyle Weaver OKC 0.300
152 Greg Buckner MEM 0.299
153 James Posey NOH 0.298
154 Mike Miller MIN 0.298
155 Theo Ratliff PHI 0.297
156 J.R. Smith DEN 0.297
157 Robert Swift OKC 0.296
158 Morris Peterson NOH 0.294
159 Reggie Evans PHI 0.293
160 Greg Oden POR 0.293
161 Kelenna Azubuike GSW 0.292
162 Joe Smith CLE 0.292
163 Luke Ridnour MIL 0.292
164 Kyle Lowry HOU 0.292
165 Rashard Lewis ORL 0.290
166 Carlos Boozer UTA 0.289
167 Allen Iverson DET 0.289
168 Daequan Cook MIA 0.288
169 Shawn Marion TOR 0.288
170 Anthony Parker TOR 0.287
171 Mardy Collins LAC 0.285
172 Danny Granger IND 0.285
173 Paul Pierce BOS 0.285
174 Andre Miller PHI 0.285
175 Goran Dragic PHO 0.284
176 Anthony Carter DEN 0.283
177 JaVale McGee WAS 0.283
178 Donte Greene SAC 0.283
179 Hedo Turkoglu ORL 0.283
180 Mehmet Okur UTA 0.282
181 Acie Law ATL 0.282
182 Jared Jeffries NYK 0.281
183 Boris Diaw CHA 0.281
184 Luke Walton LAL 0.281
185 Jason Hart LAC 0.281
186 Stephen Jackson GSW 0.280
187 Larry Hughes CHI 0.280
188 Raymond Felton CHA 0.279
189 Robin Lopez PHO 0.278
190 Manu Ginobili SAS 0.277
191 Desmond Mason OKC 0.275
192 C.J. Watson GSW 0.275
193 Quinton Ross MEM 0.275
194 Drew Gooden SAS 0.274
195 Travis Diener IND 0.274
196 Quentin Richardson NYK 0.272
197 Brandon Roy POR 0.271
198 James Jones MIA 0.270
199 Mike Conley MEM 0.270
200 Wilson Chandler NYK 0.268
201 Rudy Fernandez POR 0.268
202 Jeff Green OKC 0.268
203 Rodney Carney MIN 0.268
204 DeSagana Diop CHA 0.267
205 Rasho Nesterovic IND 0.266
206 Vladimir Radmanovic LAL 0.266
207 Andres Nocioni CHI 0.265
208 Caron Butler WAS 0.265
209 Keith Bogans ORL 0.265
210 Brandon Rush IND 0.265
211 Leandro Barbosa PHO 0.264
212 Dan Gadzuric MIL 0.263
213 Baron Davis LAC 0.260
214 Tayshaun Prince DET 0.259
215 Rafer Alston ORL 0.259
216 Jared Dudley CHA 0.258
217 George Hill SAS 0.258
218 Craig Smith MIN 0.258
219 Chris Douglas-Roberts NJN 0.258
220 Matt Barnes PHO 0.258
221 Andres Nocioni SAC 0.256
222 Eddie House BOS 0.256
223 Francisco Garcia SAC 0.256
224 Joe Johnson ATL 0.255
225 Matt Carroll CHA 0.254
226 Charlie Villanueva MIL 0.254
227 Nate Robinson NYK 0.252
228 Ronnie Price UTA 0.252
229 Mike Taylor LAC 0.251
230 Anthony Johnson ORL 0.250
231 Sean May CHA 0.248
232 Ronnie Brewer UTA 0.248
233 Andrea Bargnani TOR 0.248
234 Francisco Elson MIL 0.248
235 T.J. Ford IND 0.248
236 Carl Landry HOU 0.247
237 Rob Kurz GSW 0.247
238 Jameer Nelson ORL 0.245
239 Joey Graham TOR 0.243
240 Russell Westbrook OKC 0.243
241 Roy Hibbert IND 0.243
242 Sean Marks NOH 0.242
243 Nicolas Batum POR 0.242
244 Travis Outlaw POR 0.242
245 Sasha Vujacic LAL 0.239
246 Rudy Gay MEM 0.238
247 Sean Williams NJN 0.238
248 Aaron Gray CHI 0.237
249 Mo Williams CLE 0.237
250 Steve Blake POR 0.236
251 Hilton Armstrong NOH 0.235
252 Jose Barea DAL 0.234
253 Michael Redd MIL 0.234
254 Ray Allen BOS 0.233
255 Damien Wilkins OKC 0.233
256 Larry Hughes NYK 0.233
257 Chauncey Billups DEN 0.233
258 Derek Fisher LAL 0.233
259 Mike Bibby ATL 0.233
260 Bruce Bowen SAS 0.231
261 Vince Carter NJN 0.229
262 Corey Maggette GSW 0.227
263 Cuttino Mobley LAC 0.227
264 Brent Barry HOU 0.226
265 Rashad McCants MIN 0.225
266 Marco Belinelli GSW 0.224
267 Ryan Gomes MIN 0.224
268 Bobby Simmons NJN 0.223
269 Will Bynum DET 0.223
270 Jarrett Jack IND 0.222
271 Richard Jefferson MIL 0.222
272 Jason Terry DAL 0.222
273 Juan Dixon WAS 0.221
274 John Salmons SAC 0.221
275 Mickael Pietrus ORL 0.221
276 Nick Young WAS 0.220
277 Chris Quinn MIA 0.220
278 Vladimir Radmanovic CHA 0.218
279 Raja Bell CHA 0.218
280 Javaris Crittenton WAS 0.218
281 Jordan Farmar LAL 0.217
282 Ramon Sessions MIL 0.217
283 Monta Ellis GSW 0.216
284 Linas Kleiza DEN 0.216
285 Walter Herrmann DET 0.216
286 Rodney Stuckey DET 0.215
287 Nazr Mohammed CHA 0.214
288 Michael Finley SAS 0.213
289 Peja Stojakovic NOH 0.213
290 Jose Calderon TOR 0.213
291 Devin Harris NJN 0.211
292 John Salmons CHI 0.211
293 Al Thornton LAC 0.211
294 Rasual Butler NOH 0.209
295 Beno Udrih SAC 0.209
296 Roger Mason SAS 0.208
297 Keith Bogans MIL 0.207
298 Eric Gordon LAC 0.206
299 Rafer Alston HOU 0.206
300 Keyon Dooling NJN 0.206
301 Jason Maxiell DET 0.205
302 Jason Richardson PHO 0.205
303 Mike James WAS 0.204
304 Steve Nash PHO 0.204
305 Kyle Lowry MEM 0.204
306 Tony Parker SAS 0.202
307 Raja Bell PHO 0.201
308 J.J. Hickson CLE 0.201
309 Courtney Lee ORL 0.200
310 Devean George DAL 0.199
311 Yakhouba Diawara MIA 0.198
312 Anthony Morrow GSW 0.198
313 Ben Gordon CHI 0.197
314 Antonio Daniels NOH 0.196
315 Stephen Graham IND 0.195
316 Jason Richardson CHA 0.195
317 Glen Davis BOS 0.194
318 Maurice Evans ATL 0.194
319 Roko Ukic TOR 0.194
320 Wally Szczerbiak CLE 0.193
321 Marreese Speights PHI 0.193
322 Derrick Rose CHI 0.191
323 Chris Duhon NYK 0.190
324 Von Wafer HOU 0.189
325 Willie Green PHI 0.189
326 Louis Williams PHI 0.189
327 Sergio Rodriguez POR 0.188
328 Malik Allen MIL 0.187
329 Earl Watson OKC 0.187
330 DeShawn Stevenson WAS 0.186
331 Fred Jones LAC 0.184
332 O.J. Mayo MEM 0.183
333 Randy Foye MIN 0.182
334 Kevin Ollie MIN 0.182
335 J.J. Redick ORL 0.181
336 Steve Novak LAC 0.180
337 Sebastian Telfair MIN 0.180
338 Trenton Hassell NJN 0.173
339 Jason Collins MIN 0.173
340 Will Solomon TOR 0.168
341 Aaron Brooks HOU 0.168
342 Kevin Martin SAC 0.168
343 D.J. Augustin CHA 0.167
344 Jamal Crawford NYK 0.166
345 Mike Dunleavy IND 0.165
346 Deron Williams UTA 0.165
347 Charlie Bell MIL 0.165
348 Jamal Crawford GSW 0.165
349 Joe Alexander MIL 0.163
350 Richard Hamilton DET 0.163
351 Solomon Jones ATL 0.160
352 Gerald Green DAL 0.159
353 Tyronn Lue MIL 0.155
354 Dahntay Jones DEN 0.152
355 Antoine Wright DAL 0.150
356 Daniel Gibson CLE 0.149
357 Fabricio Oberto SAS 0.148
358 Channing Frye POR 0.147
359 Shannon Brown CHA 0.143
360 Jason Kapono TOR 0.139
361 Stephon Marbury BOS 0.136
362 Josh Powell LAL 0.122
363 Arron Afflalo DET 0.120
364 Sasha Pavlovic CLE 0.114
365 Mikki Moore BOS 0.110
366 Ricky Davis LAC 0.109
367 Royal Ivey PHI 0.105
368 C.J. Miles UTA 0.103
369 Brian Scalabrine BOS 0.102
370 Adam Morrison CHA 0.097
371 Luther Head HOU 0.094
372 Juwan Howard CHA 0.094
373 Melvin Ely NOH 0.089
374 Jerryd Bayless POR 0.070
375 Darnell Jackson CLE 0.058
376 Bobby Brown SAC 0.040
The User Guide for Real Player Ratings, and the Defensive Adjustments, is here. You must consult the User Guide in order to fully understand the ratings and the value of them, and to undertand how to make the best use of them.
A COUPLE OF QUICK NOTES (A tiny sample of User Guide content)
1. The average defensive sub rating of the 376 NBA plyaers who played at least 300 minutes in 2008-09 is .285.
2. Centers and forwards are generally expected to have substantially higher defensive ratings than guards. Conversely, the best offensive guards are expected to have higher offensive ratings than those of most forwards and centers.
Unedited, Raw Game Notes are Here
You Can Post Your Response to Anything on Quest Here
Thursday, May 7, 2009
Final NBA Real Team Ratings, 2008-09 Regular Season
Below you will see the final NBA Real Team Ratings (RTR) for the 2008-09 regular season. Although probably the most spectacular (as in wow factor) improvements were in the Real Player Ratings this NBA season, probably the most ultimately important improvements were made to the Real Team Ratings.
Remember that the RTR is NOT simply a rating of how well the teams did in the regular season. Rather, it is a rating system designed to reveal the capability of winning playoff games and series of each team. Several careful and statistically valid adjustments are made to allow the RTR to accurately reflect the known factors that impact winning in the playoffs.
The RTR CAN be roughly used to predict who will win playoff series. However, there are of course many factors not included in the RTR, one of which, injuries, by itself can change the outcome of a series. By far the factor not included in basic RTR that has the biggest impact on whether a series is won or lost is injuries. Therefore, we are developing a new injury adjustment for RTR, which is extensively described below.
A good example of how important injuries are is this year's Dallas-San Antonio series. As you can see below, RTR predicts that the Spurs would most likely defeat the Dallas Mavericks in a playoff series. But Dallas won it, and clearly it was at least substantially, probably almost entirely, and possibly completely due to the injury to Manu Ginobili, one of the best players in the NBA, and absolutely essential on offense. San Antonio was especially hammered by the unavailability of Ginobili, since they were already relatively short on great offensive players to begin with.
A SMALLER BUT STILL SIGNIFICANT FACTOR: COACHING THAT IS MORE SUCCESSFUL IN THE REGULAR SEASON THAN IN THE PLAYOFFS
Most factors not in the RTR other than injuries are believed to have much, much smaller impacts on whether playoffs are won or lost. However, there is one factor that may have an impact greater than small.
Coaching is largely reflected in the RTR, except that there are coaches such as George Karl and Nate McMillan who have track records of seeing their coaching succeed in the regular season much more so than in the playoffs.
In other words, and more broadly, it is believed by us here at Quest that how a team is coached, and what schemes it is using on offense and defense, can have a different impact in the playoffs than it did in the regular season. This would not be picked up by the RTR.
One of the primary objectives of the Quest for the Ring is to identify and explain offensive and defensive strategies that work better in the regular season than they do in the playoffs, and vice versa.
Fortunately for teams with coaches whose coaching works better in the regular season than in the playoffs, the negative impact on RTR of such coaching is believed to be not large, probably in the up to 15 RTR points range. On the other hand though, a 10-15 point hit would be plenty big enough to swing any close series. So such coaching is perhaps not ruinous overall to a team, because it will not automatically cause an upset to that team when it is heavily favored. But it will cost that team plenty of close series, and so that type of coaching will certainly be in the long run ruinous to the objective of going as far as possible in the playoffs.
For complete details regarding how the Real Team Ratings are designed and why they work, see the User Guide.
REAL TEAM RATINGS
NBA 2008-09 REGULAR SEASON FINAL
1 Cleveland Cavaliers 72.55
2 Los Angeles Lakers 64.37
3 Orlando Magic 57.62
4 Boston Celtics 54.40
5 Houston Rockets 25.55
6 Denver Nuggets 16.82
7 Portland Trail Blazers 13.71
8 San Antonio Spurs 12.53
9 Dallas Mavericks -5.17
10 New Orleans Hornets -6.00
11 Utah Jazz -8.77
12 Atlanta Hawks -9.49
13 Miami Heat -23.00
14 Chicago Bulls -24.02
15 Phoenix Suns -24.55
16 Philadelphia 76ers -24.91
17 Charlotte Bobcats -31.82
18 Detroit Pistons -32.00
19 Indiana Pacers -36.72
20 Milwaukee Bucks -38.51
21 New Jersey Nets -46.66
22 New York Knicks -53.90
23 Toronto Raptors -54.52
24 Golden State Warriors -60.88
25 Memphis Grizzlies -70.80
26 Oklahoma City Thunder -78.99
27 Minnesota Timberwolves -85.40
28 Washington Wizards -89.42
29 Los Angeles Clippers -94.43
30 Sacramento Kings -99.70
Congratulations to all NBA teams and all NBA players for a great year. Congratulations to LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers for being the very best and therefore earning the position of highest Real Team Rating for 2008-09. LeBron James also will almost certainly finish with the highest Real Player Rating when those come out in early July. So LeBron has cleaned up here at Quest this year.
EXTENSIVE USER GUIDE EXCERPTS
We are placing about 60% of the extensively revised Real Team Ratings User Guide here, so that when we go over playoff series the rest of the year, and refer to the Real Team Ratings, both the Ratings themselves and detailed explanations of what we are doing to adjust those ratings will be accessible at the same place, right here, by anyone who is interested. For that matter, anyone can use the ratings above and the system below to do series projections themselves, both for actual series and for hypothetical series that never took place for one reason or another. Moreover, any user can change specific factors we use, even if they are using the system as a whole.
So we will now reprint many sections of the extensively updated User Guide for Real Team Ratings. The sections dealing with base RTR are NOT shown below, most of which are unchanged from a few months ago. However, there actually was a revision, a relatively small one but not a very small one, to the base RTR calculation, to the wins and losses against playoff teams specifically, which is described at the complete User Guide. The complete User Guide is here.
ADJUSTING BASE RTR FOR FACTORS NOT INCLUDED IN BASE RTR THAT CAN BE MAJOR FOR DETERMINING WHO WINS PLAYOFF SERIES
Of all the popular American sports Leagues, the NBA is the one where the better team is most likely to avoid being upset in the playoffs. Therefore, the RTR system can be used to gain knowledge of which team is most likely to win playoff series. It can also be used to determine whether how good various players played led to an upset or not, and to get a general idea of how much better or worse than expected teams played in playoff series.
In order to do these things, however, it is necessary to modify base RTR for at least two factors that can not be directly embedded in it: home court advantage and players unavailable or playing badly due to injuries.
Even just to start with, due to a small amount of unavoidable statistical error remaining in the base RTR, there has to be a 7-12 points difference between teams before you can start to have any big confidence that one team will defeat another in the playoffs. More importantly, there are also factors unknown until close to or exactly when the series is actually being played, especially what the injury situation for each team is.
Another factor that becomes a big one when two teams with very similar ratings are playing is home court advantage. Home court advantage is estimated to be worth between 5 and 7 points.
Even if it were not for the injury wild card factor, use of RTR to predict playoff series prior to March 1 would not be very useful, due to the need for a fairly high percentage of the season to be over before the projections in base RTR are statistically meaningful, and due to the fact that the ratings are not relative to time, but rather expand with time.
MAJOR FACTORS DETERMINING WHO WINS PLAYOFF SERIES NOT BUILT IN TO THE BASIC RTR
1.HOME COURT ADVANTAGE
The home court advantage in RTR terms is believed to be 5 to 7 points
2. PLAYERS UNAVAILABLE (OR PLAYING POORLY) DUE TO INJURES
The impact relative to RTR is believed to be mathematically anything from almost 0 to 100 points for each injured and unavailable player who played during the regular season, depending mostly on how good the injured player is and depending on to what extent other players are able to step up and replace the injured player or players. Although the mathematical range of impact is 0 to 100, the realistically true and common relevant range covering the loss of starters and key reserves, is about 10 to 60 RTR points.
Players who were injured the entire season are irrelevant, except of course they are relevant in the hypothetical sense of how the season could have been different. Players who were injured relatively early in the regular season, in November or December, are only slightly relevant, and the loss of them would be a much smaller number of reduced RTR points than when the loss is later. Players who were injured late in the season, from mid-February to mid-April, have the most relevancy to whether playoff series can be won or lost, and the RTR reduction for them is much higher.
INJURY ADJUSTMENT TO RTR DIFFERENTIALS (DEVELOPMENTAL BUT HAS PASSED INITAL REVIEWS)
This adjustment is under development and review. However, it has passed initial approvals, which means it is very likely to be officially adopted in the near future.
The base or starting point is the quality of the player, as shown by the Real Player Ratings including the defending adjustment.
BASE FOR THE DOWNWARD ADJUSTMENT TO RTR DUE TO INJURY/UNAVAILABLILTY OF PLAYERS
Almost Perfect Player: 125
Historical Superstar: 113
Superstar: 98
Star: 81
Outstanding/Solid Starter: 64
Major Role Player: 49
Role Player: 36
Minor Role Player: 25
Very Minor Role Player: 16
Poor Player: 9
Very Poor Player: 4
Extremely Poor Player: 1
Remember, the base is just the hypothetical maximum possible impact, and is not a relevant real world outlook by itself. The RTR impact and the real world impact of the loss is determined by many variables, the most important of which are when the player was lost, and to what extent the other players can make up for the loss of that player.
DOWNWARD ADJUSTMENT FACTORS TO THE RTR INJURY ADJUSTMENT BASE
FACTOR FOR TIME IN THE SEASON WHEN THE PLAYER WAS LOST
November .1
December .25
January .45
February .70
March .95
April 1.0
FACTOR FOR TO WHAT EXTENT OTHER PLAYERS CAN MAKE UP FOR THE UNAVAILABLE PLAYER
We currently have to describe this adjustment generically:
(1)The player or players getting the lost minutes are close in quality (no more than one Real Player Rating category lower) and also close in terms of basketball position played, to the lost player: .4 to .6
(2)The player or players getting the lost minutes are close in quality, but are not close in terms of the position(s) played: .55 to .75
(3)The player or players getting the lost minutes are not close in quality, but are close in terms of the position played: .7 to .9
FACTOR FOR IMPORTANCE OF PLAYER TO THE TEAM (SHOWN BY MINUTES PER GAME)
32 mpg and more: 1.0
28 to 31.1: .9
24 to 27.9: .8
20 to 23.9: .7
16 to 19.9: .6
12 to 15.9: .5
8 to 11.9: .4
4 to 7.9: .3
Less than 4: .2
AN EXAMPLE OF HOW BASE RTR IS ADJUSTED FOR INJURIES: THE 2009 BOSTON CELTICS
Ok, now lets consider an example to see how all of this works. We have this year Kevin Garnett, one of the very best players in the NBA, not available to the Celtics due to injury. Garnett is in the almost perfect player range, so you start with 130 points as the unadjusted impact of the Garnett loss to the Celtics' Real Team Rating.
Now we need to breakdown that 130 gross number. First, we need the when the player was lost factor. Although Garnett came back for a few games in March, he was essentially lost for the season in February, so the factor to use is .70.
Next we need the stepping up of other players factor. Rajon Rondo has responded by being even better than he was in the regular season, which already was at the superstar level. And Rondo overall is playing as good as Garnett would be if he were playing, at the almost perfect level to be exact. So this turn of events would put the Celtics in the (2) situation above, so the factor to use would be between .55 to .75. Based on how extremely well Rondo is playing, and based on the overall resiliency of the Celtics, we will use .60 as the factor.
The third and final factor to use on the gross injury base RTR adjustment is how important the player is to the team, as shown by minutes per game. Garnett was about 31 minutes a game this season, so the factor to use is .9.
Now we can calculate by how many points we should downgrade the Celtics' RTR due to the loss of Kevin Garnett:
130 *.60 *.70 *.90 = 47.3
LEON POWE
Now we need to figure out how much the Celtics have lost due to Leon Powe not being available. Because the Celtics are also without Leon Powe, a very underrated 17 minutes a game forward, whose 2008-09 quality level was major role player.
Since he is a major role player, we start with 49 points. He was lost at the very end of the season, so the when lost factor is 1.0. Due to the simultaneous loss of Garnett and Powe, the Celtics are severly depleted upfront, which means you can positionally replace Garnett but not both Garnett and Powe at the same time, which in turn translates into a factor of about .75 for the to what extent other players can replace Powe factor. Finally, Powe played about 17 minutes a game this season, which means you should use a factor of .6 for importance of the player to the team.
Now we can calculate about how many RTR points the Celtics have lost due to Leon Powe not being available:
49 * 1.0 * .75 * .60 = 22.1
The two losses cost the Celtics roughly 47.3 + 22.1 = 69.4 points.
The Celtics' 2008-09 RTR unadjusted for injuries was 54.4. The Chicago Bulls' RTR was -24.02. So the difference between the two teams started out as 78.42. But the loss of Garnett and Powe cost the Celtics roughly 69.4 RTR points, leaving them with only a measly 9 points advantage over the Bulls, or 15 points once you add on the 6 points for home court advantage.
According to the Guidelines for Interpreting Differences in Real Team Ratings (which is reprinted from the overall User Guide below) a 15 points difference means there was somewhere between a 72% and an 80% that the Celtics were going to win the series.
So in real life, the series played out exactly as the RTR predicted that it would, at least once you have adjusted the RTR for players not available!
So what has to be done to figure out the real differences between any two playoff teams is to start with RTR, and then use the under development but destined to become officially approved Injury Adjustments. So we will have RTR-IA to use to predict playoff series, and to judge whether a series has been an upset or not, and also to judge just how heroic players such as Rajon Rondo are. (Note: always remember to add in about 6 points for the home court advantage, too.)
Bottom line for the Celtics: Rajon Rondo has been out there making up for both Kevin Garnett and Leon Powe. He has been a hero, not only for that, but also because he was already a superstar in the regular season, and then he had to get even better than being a superstar.
How would you like someone to come up to you and say to you: "You are a superstar, but that is not good enouogh right now. Now you have to be better than a superstar, you have to be almost perfect." You might be thinking to yourself: "Yeah right, I'm going to be able to suddenly be even better than I already am. I'll try, but I doubt it's going to happen; I'm not a miracle worker".
Whereas Rondo said: "No problem, I'm down with that." And then he proceeded to go out there and be almost perfect, as if that is as easy as waking up in the morning.
So Rajon Rondo is no doubt one of the heroes of the 2009 playoffs. And he has a very good chance of being the first ever Real Playoffs MVP here at Quest, which will be an honor given out to the player who did the most to help his team, regardless of exactly how many games and series the team won.
It's a good thing he already has a ring, because if he didn't fully earn it last year, he sure as hell earned one this year.
But the Celtics will need a miracle to defeat the Magic despite this.
GUIDE TO INTERPRETATION OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TEAMS' REAL TEAM RATINGS
In the numeric interpretaton guide that follows, the word "roughly" is repeatedly used in front of the probability numbers, as a reminder about the small amount of unavoidable statistical error, and to emphasize that unknown factors, especially injuries, will in some cases result in substantially different actual probabilities.
The probability percentages are based on the historical results in the NBA:
REMEMBER:
In order to realistically compare teams using RTR, particularly if your objective is to know who is most likely to win playoff series, you MUST add 5 to 7 points to the RTR of the team that has home court advantage (HCA), and you MUST use the Injury Adjustment (IA) for all injured players on all teams evaluated. The injury adjustment is under development, is in beta currently, and is described extensively above. In other words, for any and all teams being evaluated, you MUST use RTR + HCA + IA
The following guidelines assume that the HCA and all injury adjustments have been correctly done.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 0 AND 4.9
The series is a complete toss-up, when statistical error is considered. There is a strong possibility of a 7 game series. The higher team has a 50% to 57% chance of winning, depending on what exactly the difference is. These probabilities are too low for anyone to have any confidence in using adjusted RTR to say who will win. All series of this type are decided quite simply by who plays better, by who coaches better, or both.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 5.0 AND 9.9
The series can easily go either way, although the higher team has a slight edge, and has between a 57% to 66% chance of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. There is a very substantial chance of a 7-game series. If the lower team wins, it is nothing more than a minor upset. Either slight differences in the quality of coaching, certain players playing a little better or a little worse than they did in the regular season, or both, could be responsible for an upset at this level.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 10.0 AND 14.9
The series can go either way, and this type of difference gives a substantial chance for a 7-game series. But the higher team has a clear edge. The higher team has between a 66% and a 76% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. If the lower team wins, it is an upset, though generally not a major upset. Either slight differences in the quality of coaching, certain players playing a little better or a little worse than they did in the regular season, or both, could be responsible for an upset at this level.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 15.0 AND 19.9
The higher team has roughly between a 76% to 84% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. There is still a chance, but a relatively small one, for a 7-game series. If the lower team wins, it is a major upset, though generally not a shocking upset. Either coaches, certain players, or both could be responsible for an upset at this level.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 20.0 AND 24.9
The higher team has roughly between an 84% to a 91% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. In this kind of series, often the only way the lower team can win the series is by extending the series out to 7 games and then somehow winning the 7th game, thus taking the series 4 games to 3. However, it is not uncommon, assuming there is an upset in this type of series, for the lower team to so severly disrupt the favored team that the lower team upsets the higher, favored team 4 games to 2. Whichever way it does it, if the lower team does win coming in down by this amount, it should be considered a shocking upset. In most such cases, the coaching would have to be very wrong and/or negligent.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 25.0 AND 29.9
The higher team has roughly between a 91% and a 95.5% probability of winning. depending on where in the range the difference is. In this kind of series, often the only way the lower team can win the series is by taking the series 7 games and winning the 7th game, thus taking the series 4 games to 3. However, there have been a tiny number of series where a team with this amount of a RTR deficit has won the series by so severly disrupting the favored team that it is able to win the series 4 games to 2. In probably all such cases, the coaching for the higher team was severely wrong and/or negligent. Whether accomplished in 6 games or 7, the lower team winning despite being this far behind in RTR is extremely rare, and would be considered a very shocking, historical upset.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 30.0 AND 34.9
The higher team has roughly between a 95.5% and a 98% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. Obviously, an upset would be extremely rare, shocking, and historical. It would obviously be caused substantially by incompetent and/or severely negligent coaching. With this amount of difference, any upset would almost certainly have to be with the series going all seven games.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS 35.0 AND 39.9
The higher team has a roughly between a 98% and a 99.5% probability of winning the series. Obviously, an upset would be extremely rare, shocking, and historical. It would obviously be caused substantially by incompetent and/or severely negligent coaching. With this amount of difference, any upset would almost certainly have to be with the series going all seven games.
DEFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS 40.0 OR MORE
It is close to a 100% certainty that the higher team will win the series. Obviously, an upset would be extremely rare, shocking, and historical. It would obviously be caused substantially by incompetent and/or severely negligent coaching. With this amount of difference, any upset would almost certainly have to be with the series going all seven games.
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Remember that the RTR is NOT simply a rating of how well the teams did in the regular season. Rather, it is a rating system designed to reveal the capability of winning playoff games and series of each team. Several careful and statistically valid adjustments are made to allow the RTR to accurately reflect the known factors that impact winning in the playoffs.
The RTR CAN be roughly used to predict who will win playoff series. However, there are of course many factors not included in the RTR, one of which, injuries, by itself can change the outcome of a series. By far the factor not included in basic RTR that has the biggest impact on whether a series is won or lost is injuries. Therefore, we are developing a new injury adjustment for RTR, which is extensively described below.
A good example of how important injuries are is this year's Dallas-San Antonio series. As you can see below, RTR predicts that the Spurs would most likely defeat the Dallas Mavericks in a playoff series. But Dallas won it, and clearly it was at least substantially, probably almost entirely, and possibly completely due to the injury to Manu Ginobili, one of the best players in the NBA, and absolutely essential on offense. San Antonio was especially hammered by the unavailability of Ginobili, since they were already relatively short on great offensive players to begin with.
A SMALLER BUT STILL SIGNIFICANT FACTOR: COACHING THAT IS MORE SUCCESSFUL IN THE REGULAR SEASON THAN IN THE PLAYOFFS
Most factors not in the RTR other than injuries are believed to have much, much smaller impacts on whether playoffs are won or lost. However, there is one factor that may have an impact greater than small.
Coaching is largely reflected in the RTR, except that there are coaches such as George Karl and Nate McMillan who have track records of seeing their coaching succeed in the regular season much more so than in the playoffs.
In other words, and more broadly, it is believed by us here at Quest that how a team is coached, and what schemes it is using on offense and defense, can have a different impact in the playoffs than it did in the regular season. This would not be picked up by the RTR.
One of the primary objectives of the Quest for the Ring is to identify and explain offensive and defensive strategies that work better in the regular season than they do in the playoffs, and vice versa.
Fortunately for teams with coaches whose coaching works better in the regular season than in the playoffs, the negative impact on RTR of such coaching is believed to be not large, probably in the up to 15 RTR points range. On the other hand though, a 10-15 point hit would be plenty big enough to swing any close series. So such coaching is perhaps not ruinous overall to a team, because it will not automatically cause an upset to that team when it is heavily favored. But it will cost that team plenty of close series, and so that type of coaching will certainly be in the long run ruinous to the objective of going as far as possible in the playoffs.
For complete details regarding how the Real Team Ratings are designed and why they work, see the User Guide.
REAL TEAM RATINGS
NBA 2008-09 REGULAR SEASON FINAL
1 Cleveland Cavaliers 72.55
2 Los Angeles Lakers 64.37
3 Orlando Magic 57.62
4 Boston Celtics 54.40
5 Houston Rockets 25.55
6 Denver Nuggets 16.82
7 Portland Trail Blazers 13.71
8 San Antonio Spurs 12.53
9 Dallas Mavericks -5.17
10 New Orleans Hornets -6.00
11 Utah Jazz -8.77
12 Atlanta Hawks -9.49
13 Miami Heat -23.00
14 Chicago Bulls -24.02
15 Phoenix Suns -24.55
16 Philadelphia 76ers -24.91
17 Charlotte Bobcats -31.82
18 Detroit Pistons -32.00
19 Indiana Pacers -36.72
20 Milwaukee Bucks -38.51
21 New Jersey Nets -46.66
22 New York Knicks -53.90
23 Toronto Raptors -54.52
24 Golden State Warriors -60.88
25 Memphis Grizzlies -70.80
26 Oklahoma City Thunder -78.99
27 Minnesota Timberwolves -85.40
28 Washington Wizards -89.42
29 Los Angeles Clippers -94.43
30 Sacramento Kings -99.70
Congratulations to all NBA teams and all NBA players for a great year. Congratulations to LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers for being the very best and therefore earning the position of highest Real Team Rating for 2008-09. LeBron James also will almost certainly finish with the highest Real Player Rating when those come out in early July. So LeBron has cleaned up here at Quest this year.
EXTENSIVE USER GUIDE EXCERPTS
We are placing about 60% of the extensively revised Real Team Ratings User Guide here, so that when we go over playoff series the rest of the year, and refer to the Real Team Ratings, both the Ratings themselves and detailed explanations of what we are doing to adjust those ratings will be accessible at the same place, right here, by anyone who is interested. For that matter, anyone can use the ratings above and the system below to do series projections themselves, both for actual series and for hypothetical series that never took place for one reason or another. Moreover, any user can change specific factors we use, even if they are using the system as a whole.
So we will now reprint many sections of the extensively updated User Guide for Real Team Ratings. The sections dealing with base RTR are NOT shown below, most of which are unchanged from a few months ago. However, there actually was a revision, a relatively small one but not a very small one, to the base RTR calculation, to the wins and losses against playoff teams specifically, which is described at the complete User Guide. The complete User Guide is here.
ADJUSTING BASE RTR FOR FACTORS NOT INCLUDED IN BASE RTR THAT CAN BE MAJOR FOR DETERMINING WHO WINS PLAYOFF SERIES
Of all the popular American sports Leagues, the NBA is the one where the better team is most likely to avoid being upset in the playoffs. Therefore, the RTR system can be used to gain knowledge of which team is most likely to win playoff series. It can also be used to determine whether how good various players played led to an upset or not, and to get a general idea of how much better or worse than expected teams played in playoff series.
In order to do these things, however, it is necessary to modify base RTR for at least two factors that can not be directly embedded in it: home court advantage and players unavailable or playing badly due to injuries.
Even just to start with, due to a small amount of unavoidable statistical error remaining in the base RTR, there has to be a 7-12 points difference between teams before you can start to have any big confidence that one team will defeat another in the playoffs. More importantly, there are also factors unknown until close to or exactly when the series is actually being played, especially what the injury situation for each team is.
Another factor that becomes a big one when two teams with very similar ratings are playing is home court advantage. Home court advantage is estimated to be worth between 5 and 7 points.
Even if it were not for the injury wild card factor, use of RTR to predict playoff series prior to March 1 would not be very useful, due to the need for a fairly high percentage of the season to be over before the projections in base RTR are statistically meaningful, and due to the fact that the ratings are not relative to time, but rather expand with time.
MAJOR FACTORS DETERMINING WHO WINS PLAYOFF SERIES NOT BUILT IN TO THE BASIC RTR
1.HOME COURT ADVANTAGE
The home court advantage in RTR terms is believed to be 5 to 7 points
2. PLAYERS UNAVAILABLE (OR PLAYING POORLY) DUE TO INJURES
The impact relative to RTR is believed to be mathematically anything from almost 0 to 100 points for each injured and unavailable player who played during the regular season, depending mostly on how good the injured player is and depending on to what extent other players are able to step up and replace the injured player or players. Although the mathematical range of impact is 0 to 100, the realistically true and common relevant range covering the loss of starters and key reserves, is about 10 to 60 RTR points.
Players who were injured the entire season are irrelevant, except of course they are relevant in the hypothetical sense of how the season could have been different. Players who were injured relatively early in the regular season, in November or December, are only slightly relevant, and the loss of them would be a much smaller number of reduced RTR points than when the loss is later. Players who were injured late in the season, from mid-February to mid-April, have the most relevancy to whether playoff series can be won or lost, and the RTR reduction for them is much higher.
INJURY ADJUSTMENT TO RTR DIFFERENTIALS (DEVELOPMENTAL BUT HAS PASSED INITAL REVIEWS)
This adjustment is under development and review. However, it has passed initial approvals, which means it is very likely to be officially adopted in the near future.
The base or starting point is the quality of the player, as shown by the Real Player Ratings including the defending adjustment.
BASE FOR THE DOWNWARD ADJUSTMENT TO RTR DUE TO INJURY/UNAVAILABLILTY OF PLAYERS
Almost Perfect Player: 125
Historical Superstar: 113
Superstar: 98
Star: 81
Outstanding/Solid Starter: 64
Major Role Player: 49
Role Player: 36
Minor Role Player: 25
Very Minor Role Player: 16
Poor Player: 9
Very Poor Player: 4
Extremely Poor Player: 1
Remember, the base is just the hypothetical maximum possible impact, and is not a relevant real world outlook by itself. The RTR impact and the real world impact of the loss is determined by many variables, the most important of which are when the player was lost, and to what extent the other players can make up for the loss of that player.
DOWNWARD ADJUSTMENT FACTORS TO THE RTR INJURY ADJUSTMENT BASE
FACTOR FOR TIME IN THE SEASON WHEN THE PLAYER WAS LOST
November .1
December .25
January .45
February .70
March .95
April 1.0
FACTOR FOR TO WHAT EXTENT OTHER PLAYERS CAN MAKE UP FOR THE UNAVAILABLE PLAYER
We currently have to describe this adjustment generically:
(1)The player or players getting the lost minutes are close in quality (no more than one Real Player Rating category lower) and also close in terms of basketball position played, to the lost player: .4 to .6
(2)The player or players getting the lost minutes are close in quality, but are not close in terms of the position(s) played: .55 to .75
(3)The player or players getting the lost minutes are not close in quality, but are close in terms of the position played: .7 to .9
FACTOR FOR IMPORTANCE OF PLAYER TO THE TEAM (SHOWN BY MINUTES PER GAME)
32 mpg and more: 1.0
28 to 31.1: .9
24 to 27.9: .8
20 to 23.9: .7
16 to 19.9: .6
12 to 15.9: .5
8 to 11.9: .4
4 to 7.9: .3
Less than 4: .2
AN EXAMPLE OF HOW BASE RTR IS ADJUSTED FOR INJURIES: THE 2009 BOSTON CELTICS
Ok, now lets consider an example to see how all of this works. We have this year Kevin Garnett, one of the very best players in the NBA, not available to the Celtics due to injury. Garnett is in the almost perfect player range, so you start with 130 points as the unadjusted impact of the Garnett loss to the Celtics' Real Team Rating.
Now we need to breakdown that 130 gross number. First, we need the when the player was lost factor. Although Garnett came back for a few games in March, he was essentially lost for the season in February, so the factor to use is .70.
Next we need the stepping up of other players factor. Rajon Rondo has responded by being even better than he was in the regular season, which already was at the superstar level. And Rondo overall is playing as good as Garnett would be if he were playing, at the almost perfect level to be exact. So this turn of events would put the Celtics in the (2) situation above, so the factor to use would be between .55 to .75. Based on how extremely well Rondo is playing, and based on the overall resiliency of the Celtics, we will use .60 as the factor.
The third and final factor to use on the gross injury base RTR adjustment is how important the player is to the team, as shown by minutes per game. Garnett was about 31 minutes a game this season, so the factor to use is .9.
Now we can calculate by how many points we should downgrade the Celtics' RTR due to the loss of Kevin Garnett:
130 *.60 *.70 *.90 = 47.3
LEON POWE
Now we need to figure out how much the Celtics have lost due to Leon Powe not being available. Because the Celtics are also without Leon Powe, a very underrated 17 minutes a game forward, whose 2008-09 quality level was major role player.
Since he is a major role player, we start with 49 points. He was lost at the very end of the season, so the when lost factor is 1.0. Due to the simultaneous loss of Garnett and Powe, the Celtics are severly depleted upfront, which means you can positionally replace Garnett but not both Garnett and Powe at the same time, which in turn translates into a factor of about .75 for the to what extent other players can replace Powe factor. Finally, Powe played about 17 minutes a game this season, which means you should use a factor of .6 for importance of the player to the team.
Now we can calculate about how many RTR points the Celtics have lost due to Leon Powe not being available:
49 * 1.0 * .75 * .60 = 22.1
The two losses cost the Celtics roughly 47.3 + 22.1 = 69.4 points.
The Celtics' 2008-09 RTR unadjusted for injuries was 54.4. The Chicago Bulls' RTR was -24.02. So the difference between the two teams started out as 78.42. But the loss of Garnett and Powe cost the Celtics roughly 69.4 RTR points, leaving them with only a measly 9 points advantage over the Bulls, or 15 points once you add on the 6 points for home court advantage.
According to the Guidelines for Interpreting Differences in Real Team Ratings (which is reprinted from the overall User Guide below) a 15 points difference means there was somewhere between a 72% and an 80% that the Celtics were going to win the series.
So in real life, the series played out exactly as the RTR predicted that it would, at least once you have adjusted the RTR for players not available!
So what has to be done to figure out the real differences between any two playoff teams is to start with RTR, and then use the under development but destined to become officially approved Injury Adjustments. So we will have RTR-IA to use to predict playoff series, and to judge whether a series has been an upset or not, and also to judge just how heroic players such as Rajon Rondo are. (Note: always remember to add in about 6 points for the home court advantage, too.)
Bottom line for the Celtics: Rajon Rondo has been out there making up for both Kevin Garnett and Leon Powe. He has been a hero, not only for that, but also because he was already a superstar in the regular season, and then he had to get even better than being a superstar.
How would you like someone to come up to you and say to you: "You are a superstar, but that is not good enouogh right now. Now you have to be better than a superstar, you have to be almost perfect." You might be thinking to yourself: "Yeah right, I'm going to be able to suddenly be even better than I already am. I'll try, but I doubt it's going to happen; I'm not a miracle worker".
Whereas Rondo said: "No problem, I'm down with that." And then he proceeded to go out there and be almost perfect, as if that is as easy as waking up in the morning.
So Rajon Rondo is no doubt one of the heroes of the 2009 playoffs. And he has a very good chance of being the first ever Real Playoffs MVP here at Quest, which will be an honor given out to the player who did the most to help his team, regardless of exactly how many games and series the team won.
It's a good thing he already has a ring, because if he didn't fully earn it last year, he sure as hell earned one this year.
But the Celtics will need a miracle to defeat the Magic despite this.
GUIDE TO INTERPRETATION OF DIFFERENCES BETWEEN TEAMS' REAL TEAM RATINGS
In the numeric interpretaton guide that follows, the word "roughly" is repeatedly used in front of the probability numbers, as a reminder about the small amount of unavoidable statistical error, and to emphasize that unknown factors, especially injuries, will in some cases result in substantially different actual probabilities.
The probability percentages are based on the historical results in the NBA:
REMEMBER:
In order to realistically compare teams using RTR, particularly if your objective is to know who is most likely to win playoff series, you MUST add 5 to 7 points to the RTR of the team that has home court advantage (HCA), and you MUST use the Injury Adjustment (IA) for all injured players on all teams evaluated. The injury adjustment is under development, is in beta currently, and is described extensively above. In other words, for any and all teams being evaluated, you MUST use RTR + HCA + IA
The following guidelines assume that the HCA and all injury adjustments have been correctly done.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 0 AND 4.9
The series is a complete toss-up, when statistical error is considered. There is a strong possibility of a 7 game series. The higher team has a 50% to 57% chance of winning, depending on what exactly the difference is. These probabilities are too low for anyone to have any confidence in using adjusted RTR to say who will win. All series of this type are decided quite simply by who plays better, by who coaches better, or both.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 5.0 AND 9.9
The series can easily go either way, although the higher team has a slight edge, and has between a 57% to 66% chance of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. There is a very substantial chance of a 7-game series. If the lower team wins, it is nothing more than a minor upset. Either slight differences in the quality of coaching, certain players playing a little better or a little worse than they did in the regular season, or both, could be responsible for an upset at this level.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 10.0 AND 14.9
The series can go either way, and this type of difference gives a substantial chance for a 7-game series. But the higher team has a clear edge. The higher team has between a 66% and a 76% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. If the lower team wins, it is an upset, though generally not a major upset. Either slight differences in the quality of coaching, certain players playing a little better or a little worse than they did in the regular season, or both, could be responsible for an upset at this level.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 15.0 AND 19.9
The higher team has roughly between a 76% to 84% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. There is still a chance, but a relatively small one, for a 7-game series. If the lower team wins, it is a major upset, though generally not a shocking upset. Either coaches, certain players, or both could be responsible for an upset at this level.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 20.0 AND 24.9
The higher team has roughly between an 84% to a 91% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. In this kind of series, often the only way the lower team can win the series is by extending the series out to 7 games and then somehow winning the 7th game, thus taking the series 4 games to 3. However, it is not uncommon, assuming there is an upset in this type of series, for the lower team to so severly disrupt the favored team that the lower team upsets the higher, favored team 4 games to 2. Whichever way it does it, if the lower team does win coming in down by this amount, it should be considered a shocking upset. In most such cases, the coaching would have to be very wrong and/or negligent.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 25.0 AND 29.9
The higher team has roughly between a 91% and a 95.5% probability of winning. depending on where in the range the difference is. In this kind of series, often the only way the lower team can win the series is by taking the series 7 games and winning the 7th game, thus taking the series 4 games to 3. However, there have been a tiny number of series where a team with this amount of a RTR deficit has won the series by so severly disrupting the favored team that it is able to win the series 4 games to 2. In probably all such cases, the coaching for the higher team was severely wrong and/or negligent. Whether accomplished in 6 games or 7, the lower team winning despite being this far behind in RTR is extremely rare, and would be considered a very shocking, historical upset.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS BETWEEN 30.0 AND 34.9
The higher team has roughly between a 95.5% and a 98% probability of winning, depending on where in the range the difference is. Obviously, an upset would be extremely rare, shocking, and historical. It would obviously be caused substantially by incompetent and/or severely negligent coaching. With this amount of difference, any upset would almost certainly have to be with the series going all seven games.
DIFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS 35.0 AND 39.9
The higher team has a roughly between a 98% and a 99.5% probability of winning the series. Obviously, an upset would be extremely rare, shocking, and historical. It would obviously be caused substantially by incompetent and/or severely negligent coaching. With this amount of difference, any upset would almost certainly have to be with the series going all seven games.
DEFFERENCE IN RATINGS IS 40.0 OR MORE
It is close to a 100% certainty that the higher team will win the series. Obviously, an upset would be extremely rare, shocking, and historical. It would obviously be caused substantially by incompetent and/or severely negligent coaching. With this amount of difference, any upset would almost certainly have to be with the series going all seven games.
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